Licensing Act Sub-Committee - Thursday 2 April 2026, 2:00pm - Folkestone & Hythe webcasting

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1 Election of Chair

Microphone B - 0:00:01
Good afternoon. We will move to the first item which is the election of chair. Can I have any nominations for the chair, please?

1 Election of Chair

Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:00:09
Microphone B - 0:00:13
Thank you, thank you all in favour, thank you, Councillor. She'd been appointed chair, please get your biggest statement in front of you
Thank you
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:00:21
So good afternoon and welcome to the meeting of the licencing act subcommittee
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Thank you.

2 Apologies for absence

So moving to the next item, any declarations of interest?

3 Declarations of interest

No?
Okay, thank you.

4 Declarations of lobbying

Any declarations of lobbying should be noted
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at the end of the meeting.

5 An application for a Premises Licence in respect of: The Bandstand & Environs from Clifton Gardens (East) to Clifton Gardens (West), The Leas, Folkestone, Kent, CT20 2EB

So moving to the main item for today for consideration
is an application for a premises licence
in respect of the bandstand and environs
from Clifton Gardens East to Clifton Gardens West,
the Lees, Folkston, Kent, CT20 to EB.
And I believe we have enough,
Alex you're gonna take us through the report, thank you.
Thank you, Chair. Yeah, so this is an application for a premises licence in
respect of the bandstands and environments from Clifton Gardens East
to Clifton Gardens West, the Lees, Fokes and Kent. This report outlines the
application made by David Lengel for a premises licence for the Lees bandstand.
The Licencing Act subcommittee must determine the outcome for the
application. The committee is asked to consider the application for a premises
licence. When considering the application, the committee must ensure that they fully
promote the licencing objectives. The committee is obliged to have regards to
the revised national section 182 guidance and the council's own licencing
policy. The licencing act subcommittee is asked to note the contents of reports DC2547
to determine the application, the options for determining the
application are set out in section 4.
The licencing acts 2003 provides that the sale of all supply of alcohol on and off the premises and other
licence for activities must be authorised by a premises licence.
A premises licence holder must comply with the four licencing objectives. The prevention of crime and disorder,
public safety,
than the prevention of public nuisance and the protection of children from harm.
On the 23rd of January 2026, David Lengell submitted a completed application for a new temporary premises licence
at the bandstand and in Virens, the Lees, for a three -day event, Saturday the 23rd of May to Monday the 25th of May 2026.
This is a one -off event over these dates. The application is for the supply of
alcohol on and off sales, Saturday to Monday 11 a .m. to 8 p .m. Recorded music,
Saturday to Monday 11 a .m. to 8 p .m. Live music, Saturday to Monday 11 a .m. to 8 p .m.
and the opening hours of Saturday to Monday 11 a .m. to 830 p .m. The
The application is for music to be outdoors.
The application for a premises licence can be seen at Appendix 1.
An event was previously held at the same location by the same organisers between the 20th of
September 2025 and the 21st of September 2025.
During that event, Environmental Protection received nine noise complaints from members
of the public.
Although the organisers had provided a contact number for residents, calls went unanswered.
As a result, residents contacted the emergency response officer who had to contact the organisers directly to request that the volume be reduced.
Further information from the Environmental Protection Officer regarding the previous events is included at Appendix 2.
This year's event has been applied through the event app and is being consulted on by the Safety Advisory Group to mitigate potential noise disturbance.
Environmental Protection have agreed a noise management plan with the applicants for this year's event and this can be found at Appendix 3.
This hearing has been required by the Licencing Act 2003 because valid representations were received from members of the public.
We have received eight valid representations from members of the public and the representations can be found at Appendix 4.
Responses to the representatives from the applicant can be seen at Appendix 5.
The licencing subcommittee has the following options to grant the application, grant the application with amendments, add conditions to the licence, reject whole or part of the application.
The committee is asked to note that it may not add conditions or amend the licence merely
because it considers it desirable to do so.
The committee must only consider evidence that relates to those four licencing objectives
and any conditions added must promote the licencing objectives.
Thank you.
Thank you very much for that.
So I think next we're going to hear first of all from the Environmental Protection Officer.
No?
No?
No?
Fair enough, okay.
Right, so we have representations, I believe,
from residents, and then we'll hear representations
from the applicant.
So, if you'd like to, very happy to hear from you,
if you'd like to make a short representation, thank you.
Microphone F - 0:06:47
I've got a representation from Mr. Davenport, who unfortunately can't be here, and I was
handed a copy of this by Mr. Halligan earlier so I can read it out.
So I should have asked you if you could introduce yourself.
Yeah, my name's Malcolm Harris.
I also made a representation as well, but I'm taking this one.
I think Mr. Davenport's probably more extensive
since he was particularly badly inconvenienced.
So this response is actually in response
to the submission by Mr. Lengill
in response to his representation.
I think it was the same response we all got.
And it's as follows.
Under the heading not aware of the extent of the concerns,
Mr. Davenport says it's not credible for Mr. Lengill
to claim that organisers were unaware of the scale
of the nuisance they were causing
with their excessively loud event.
And then he bullet points the following.
The bandstand is visibly surrounded
by residential buildings.
It was obvious on the day that the sound
was at an unusually high level
and was reaching into areas of the town
way normally, of the town normally unaffected
by bandstand events.
When I spoke to the Out of Hours Council representative
at around 1300 hours, she told me that
with great difficulty, she had contacted an organiser
who had agreed to lower the volume,
she told me I should notice the difference.
As recorded in contemporaneous WhatsApp exchange messages
amongst my neighbours, the volume correspondingly dipped
only slightly at around 1330 hours.
By 1515 hours, it had returned to the previous level.
By 1630, it appeared to have stepped up to be even louder.
This evidence suggests that the organisers
were made aware of the level of complaints on the day.
They clearly heard and even, albeit for a short time,
responded to them.
Number two point is Mr. Lengill's submission makes no mention of his failure to comply with the terms of the September 2025 licence.
I understand the September 2025 event was licenced from 11 a .m. until 8 p .m.
On Saturday 20th of September organisers knowingly breached that licence playing excessively loud music without pause from 9 .30 a .m. until 8 p .m.
Multiple witnesses confirmed this.
Mr. Lengill's September event subjected local residents to a full 10 and a half hours
of unprecedented noise levels on a Saturday.
Impossible to escape from, especially as reported for residents with limited mobility.
Organisers at Mr. Lengill's September event knowingly exceeded the licenced hours by one and a half hours.
The next heading, number three, strong wind conditions.
Mr. Lengill's assertion of strong winds were an unanticipated aggravating factor on the day
would also indicate a level of incompetence in planning the event.
Strong winds and changeable conditions are a regular feature of the bandstand's
cliff top location and are to be expected. A competent organiser would
have anticipated and planned for such conditions.
Number four, the event will be fully fenced. The Lees is not suitable for a
fenced event. Lees is a highly popular public promenade alongside a residential
road with a bandstand for staging public music events. The location is within a
residential town, not a large park.
Creating a fully fenced, possibly chargeable event
at the bandstand goes against the public character
of the location and sets an unwelcome precedent
for future events.
I think Mr. Davenport explained to me
that the chargeable question mark is,
we haven't been told whether this is chargeable
by the organisers or not, or whether the council's
charging for the use of the premises.
Number five, his final points in response,
our events attract visitors from across the country.
As an ever increasingly vibrant and popular family
seaside destination, Folkestone already attracts
and welcomes a vast and diverse volume of visitors
without Mr. Lengill's help.
Video and photos taken of the September 2025 event
show a fairly sparse crowd with fewer attendees
than are regularly seen at smaller bandstand events.
This could be taken as an indicator that the duration of the event was over long.
It is hard to see how a three -day ban stand event will prove any more popular.
Thank you Andrew Davenport, Vice Chairman of the Carlton Lease Residence Association.
That's all of Mr. Davenport's points.
I did make an original objection.
I don't know if it's appropriate for me to read that out.
I think I made an informal response to Mr. Halligan just saying I'd seen Mr.
Lengill's responses to me, which was basically the same one as Mr.
Davenport got.
And I wasn't swayed by it and still stood by what I said.
Yeah, I think there's nothing new that you haven't already put in the written.
The only new thing, if I could have leave to do so, if that's permissible, to put in
was just by chance, I'll just pass some copies over, there's not enough for everybody, but
it's a picture of an official council police notice which is on the pavement on the north
side immediately opposite the bandstand.
Threatening a maximum fine of a thousand pounds for any alcohol drinking, any legal
high consumption or activity, no begging and no sleeping. It goes on to say in public
places when ordered not to do so by an authorised officer. So I assume that the
the person concerned would need to be challenged
by an officer, and then when they,
when and if they were to refuse,
then they could be given a maximum of five of 1 ,000 pounds.
So I just wondered where we were
with regard to that notice, right opposite
the heart of this so -called premises licence application,
when the application is basically to breach this sign.
The other thing I wanted just to clarify,
and forgive me for asking at this late stage,
is if someone could educate me and everybody else
as to the definition of premises,
I would have assumed that premises
was something that one controlled,
either one owned or one rented,
and had some proprietary interest in.
And we're talking about a piece of public space
which is owned by the council
and paid for by council taxpayers in this area.
And now it's being sort of taken over
for an application called their premises.
The premises would normally be defined
with specific boundaries and would be insurable.
But I don't see how this would be.
Yeah, well my understanding,
and I'm sure officers can correct me.
It's a premises licence is applicable
for any outdoor space where premises
because this can be outdoors,
it doesn't have to have pools, et cetera.
So are we happy to move on to the next?
Yeah, no, I mean, forgive my ignorance
of those planning laws, I just thought that was worth
checking at the same time as this was just a by chance
I was walking past it.
Your points are noted.
Would you like to introduce yourself
and make your representation please?
My name's Robin Lamport, I also live on Carlton Lees,
I'm a director of the Carlton Lees Residence Association.
Most of the points were brought up by the,
what's his name now, Andrew Davenport,
but I did my own initial one.
I was very quick to respond.
Most of those points have been covered.
However, trying to contact the environmental department
with these noise doesn't work.
A few years ago we came in here to do something with the scuba bar.
And we were given an hour to phone, which ended up 888.
But apparently that doesn't go through to the noise people.
So I was wondering if we can have a noise monitor, if this does go ahead, that we can
actually register the level.
because it's no good calling them out when they say it's too late.
We don't work weekends or whatever, but we need something
because the noise last year was really appalling on the September one.
We even had our windows closed so we couldn't hear it, but it still came through.
And it's not fair.
It's not fair.
Thank you very much.
Now I would like to move on to the applicants.
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:15:59
Microphone F - 0:15:59
Could I just add something to those comments that were said earlier in terms of my submissions?
It's more of a general point in terms of the discomfort and inconvenience that was caused.
For example, this year it falls under three days of a Long Bank holiday.
For the entire three days to be taken up, my family were threatening to come and see
me, absolutely can't possibly utilise where I live to entertain them because the overwhelming
event will just drown it out completely.
So we'll all have to go somewhere else.
So that was one thing.
And then the other thing was just any information which Mr. Lengill can give to us about any
charging situation, what the charging entity is, cost of tickets, how that works, and what
entities, what business it's being run through, that's really the new extra items to raise.
Thank you very much. Anthony Keator, I'm one of the organisers on the licence. Just a quick one,
we sympathise with you completely and that's why we work with the H .O. to try and do whatever we can
to keep the noise down. But there's a couple of things we're only doing it the Saturday, Sunday.
We put in for the Monday as well because one of the community people who run
Folkstone Music Town had asked if they could do an event on the Monday if we
would support them and we said we would financially support them because they
were struggling financially to put the event on. They then decided that maybe
they can't put the event on so the Monday won't be getting used anyway, it is
only two days. The Mondays will not be used. The other thing was that the
constant music playing from 9 .30 actually never happened and we have
video proof in our sound management plan for the September event. We had a test booked
in to test the sound system so we could set the levels because we knew we had to keep
a decibel level. So we set the levels at 9 .30, we turned the music off at 9 .38 and actually
the music didn't start again until 13 minutes past 11. There was nobody on the bandstand.
The screens were off, the music was turned off, and there wasn't a single track played until 13 minutes past 11.
I'm sorry that the noise at 9 .30 was. We've actually moved the test this year to 10 .45,
because we felt that actually, in hindsight, maybe 9 .30 is too early to test music.
And the last thing to say is, and then I'll turn it over to the guys because they're organised out just here because I run the events as well.
We actually ran the same event in May as well, and we actually supported Pink Floyd as well.
We ran all those events, and the reason that we put in about the wind in September was because when we ran the event in May,
it was exactly the same event, exactly the same sound system, and we had exactly the same decibel level set,
that there was no complaints at all. Unfortunately, on that morning earlier, it wasn't a change of weather, it was a storm.
and we were actually very close to pulling the event. We were very lucky that half past
ten the weather subsided and there was zero rain and actually we tried to push the event
back as much as we could and for safety of the public and that is why this year that
we asked for it to be fenced as well because of the sheer volume of people who came, we
wanted to be able to control the numbers so that we knew that the Leeds would be a safe
place to be and the plan never was to fence off the leaves. All the pathways are accessible
to the public. It's literally just the grass at the bandstand that was submitted and it's
purely a safety matter. And lastly about the charging, we're not charging people to come
to the event. We put out to the people who attend our event, which can be up to 4 ,000
people, if they would have an issue paying a £5 cover charge to cover the costs of ambulance,
Fire, Safety, Fencing, Security, DJs. These costs come to over £30 ,000 to which we have
never asked for any money from the local council. We completely self fund this event. We're
currently £25 ,000 in arrears of my own money, so to date from the three events we've put
on we're actually negative £25 ,000 and we support local charities as well. I think we
We really want to work with the residents, we really don't want them being disrupted.
We've never came here to say that we're right and they're wrong. They live there, we don't.
But I just wanted to say my little piece in the fact that we definitely didn't play music
from 9 .30 in the morning, we would not play out with our licenced hours and we actually
finished before 8 o 'clock. We said to the DJs stop playing it quarter to 8 and start
to tone it down so we can get people off the bandstand at 8. By 10 past 8 there wasn't
a single pair on the bandstand. That wasn't our experience and we live there with all
due respect.
I can appreciate that but we've got the videos to show that we didn't play music from that
time because luckily, not luckily, we do this, the world in which we live in is a social
media world so we document everything we do and it's not for the use of this, it's to
say to people look we're a family friendly event, it's predominantly people in their
late 40s and on that come to our events with our grandkids and kids. We don't do it, it's
not like a party, it's a family event and we actually document the sound cheque, we document
when people arrive and we're on the stage and we've actually got, we had Coats South
Radio doing interviews throughout the day with families and things, which we've got
it all, I mean we brought it just in case you wanted to see it, we have it all documented
and I'm sorry if that isn't and we want to, what will you guys, we genuinely do, we genuinely
want to make sure that your concerns are listened to and taken care of because we're not here
to make money, we're not here to upset anybody who lives in Folkestone, we give thousands
to charity, we're genuinely here to create a family event, we're doing this same event
at Manston Airport, that event is different because that's a proper event, we've got fairground
rides etc, we're doing that in August, but we would never ask to do that in a residential
area, we've done that in private ground because that's where we know we can do it to that
This is something we always wanted to do because we thought it would be cool.
That is really it.
If you are making money from it...
Can we hear from the applicants?
We have noted your concerns.
Just written some more concerns about the charging and what business is being run through.
I am not sure if any charging is relevant.
Again, I will defer to officers, but we have noted your concerns and what the applicants are saying.
Would any of the other representatives like to speak briefly?
Good afternoon, everybody. My name is David Langer. I'm one of the event organisers and I'm the licence
holder for this event and any of our previous events. As Anthony said, yes, there was music playing
at 930 in the morning, I sit with them for a couple of minutes.
That's noted in our – that's detailed in our last year's
time management plan, but I got a copy of –
but I believe that you have a copy of the document, right?
Yes. I also understand that General Benston's event goes on until 7 p .m.
We went to 8 p .m., but we were advertised that way.
So we done blue notices on the list, what was up for weeks this year
and last year, and with all of our events, we advertised it to the newspaper,
and then we had the premise of licence,
they all had the same licencing time,
from 11 a .m. to 8 p .m.
So yes, we did go on the 8 p .m.,
but we were allowed to do that.
The next concern was in the representations
was lack of communication.
We could have done better, I totally agree.
This year we are going to do leaflet drops.
So what we are going to do, we are going to have leaflets,
and we are going to go to the local hotels,
local businesses, we are going to go to the local houses.
and try to spread it as far as we can.
We are going to have direct phone numbers to us,
in fact multiple numbers on it.
We are going to have exact details of the event,
what time to what time the music plays,
so that this is all going to be on the reflats.
We were also raised concerns about crowd behaviour.
We were also this concern of the crowd behaviour. It was called as a RIF type event. When we
done the last year event, we had multiple police officers on the lease, around the lease,
on pretty much all of our events. And actually, when we done the sit down, one of the officers
reached out to Spencer and said how happy they were, how the event went, how safe it
and how well managed it was.
So we did try our best to control it.
As Anthony said, we are going to fancy it
of this year to make it even more safe
and avoid any disturbance whatsoever.
We will also raise concerns about the litter.
I wrote videos.
I don't know if I'm able to show it.
We have videos the day after of the ban itself,
how it was left.
Yeah, the video is up to you if you want to.
We can put them on the screen.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Sorry, again, we only documented this for social media, for our panel.
Folkestone & Hythe Officer - 0:26:22
Folkestone & Hythe Officer - 0:26:25
The video has – if somebody speaks in the video, if that's okay.
Yeah.
over there wasn't able to get their trailer out in time so that they are
going to come and get that so we apologise for the inconvenience for that
but the birds seem to be enjoying it at the moment anyway this is nothing
harmful that's the main thing anyway the leaves is all clean so as Spencer said
in the video yes there was hay bear left on side so yes there was hay bear left on
side the only reason was because on Sunday kids were ended up playing with
hay bales and there was no bales left, just hay.
The company was contracted, they were contracted
to pick up hay bales and they were not able to collect it.
So it took a couple of days until that was all cleaned up.
About another video that's on the same morning,
am I able to show that as well?
Yes.
Thank you.
One thing that I'd like to say is,
give it back as you receive it.
I know it's not always easy to do that,
but we try our best.
Apologies to anyone who had any inconveniences
at the moment, but I don't think there is. But I think it's respectfully been put back
in good order and I'm sure it will be looking fresh and nicer in a few days.
There is a third video, what was done after our meal event, the day after in the morning
in the event, same as these ones. Thank you.
This is the morning after last night yesterday. Look how clean it is. Look how clean it is
Right, so those are the three videos that I wanted to show in terms of litter.
If I'm okay to leave the terra -bitch and sit back.
So in terms of litter, we did try our best at the previous events.
SPEAKER - 0:28:55
This year, we are going to fence it off.
We are going to have extra bins at any entrance and exit points.
So as people leave, we will have bins there for this exact reason so people are able to
to leave the rubbish on site before they leave the venue
to try to go a step further than last year.
The next thing and the last bit of the concerns
was the noise.
So as Anthony said, we've done three events last year.
We had the May one, we had the Pink Floyd Tribute Weekend,
and then we done one in September.
At the Pink Floyd Tribute Event,
and then the one in September,
we had the same on the engineer.
The Sandian genius set up the levers in the Pink Floyd one
and he was exactly the same levers in August.
I understand that it didn't fail the same way.
The problem was that on, as Anthony said,
we had a pretty bad weather condition throughout the day.
And as we went on the day, the weather condition got worse.
We had phone calls from the council praising the concerns
and every single time we got the phone call,
we raised, we lowered the volume.
The problem with this was, as even if we lowered the volume,
the wind was keep picking up.
So I believe that the residential areas,
even if you lower the volume,
the wind was blowing it even further away,
made it probably even worse.
But the problem was we were aware of the problem
as we lowered the volume,
but we were not aware of the size of the problem.
We didn't know how badly it affected the residents.
If you would have known that,
we would have even pulled the event
if it gets to that level.
We had no intention to do disturbance to anybody.
This year we've done a lot of different things to improve what we've done last year.
There are a couple of videos that was done on site.
There was somebody from South Radio Station doing interviews at the event.
I've got a couple of videos as well.
This is only to show how it felt on the venue.
There are people talking in it and then there's background music on the leads.
Am I able to show some of these videos?
I think it's actually necessary.
Yeah?
Yeah.
I'm going to show you only one, then.
I think I had a couple.
Folkestone & Hythe Officer - 0:31:14
vs. Ysnaires League compromise.
Ladies and gentlemen this is Steve Zest and he's just come off the stage. Steve. Nice
Wicked! Loved it! Loved it! What a vibe! What a place to come and DJ at! Amazing place!
I think the point of that one was that at some point the DJ actually said to us it needs to be louder
SPEAKER - 0:32:13
and then he said but I've got no control because we had complete control of volumes
so they could not turn it up. DJs cannot turn up the music at our events.
we've got it limited behind the scenes so they can never control the volume.
And that is how loud it is.
And unfortunately, I think as David says, it actually probably sounds louder
further away because of what happened that day.
That is somebody in the event at full volume.
Microphone F - 0:32:44
Sorry, with respect, the bass isn't even represented in that.
The bass was just booming through all day.
You could feel it.
I think there has been acknowledgement that sound obviously had trouble.
It's not travelling, there's no representation on that.
There's no provenance of the evidence anyway.
There's no date on it.
Okay, thank you.
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:33:04
Could we perhaps, I think we have heard quite a bit,
so if you want to sort of wrap up your representations.
Right, so the last thing that I would like to talk about
is what is the difference in terms of noise this year.
SPEAKER - 0:33:17
We are going to do wind monitoring.
We are going to do sound monitoring at three different locations around the east.
We are going to do it at Clifton Gardens, at the View Hotel, and between the Home Pine
House and the Lee Street.
We believe that these three locations are the crucial ones, closer to the residential
or people who stay at the events, such as the hotels.
At these three locations, we are going to do different monitoring.
It's all detailed in the Sound Management Plan for this year, so I'm not going to go
into too much details.
The levels what we are going to use is being agreed with the support of the Council.
We are also going to lower the speakers, turn them more towards the sea, so the sound will
travel even further away from the residential areas than we have done it before.
And we have a rapid response protocol in place, what is also detailed in the sound management
plan.
We delayed the sound cheque to 1045 instead of 930 to avoid early disturbance around the
areas.
And then we already talked about the fencing and the other improvements what we are going
to do this year.
But if there is any questions regarding sound management plans, please feel free to ask.
Yes.
So we always cover the list from the back, but this year we're going to cover it towards
the front.
especially on the left -hand side towards the residential areas, so it's going to bounce back the sun,
so it's going to go even more towards the sea.
So this is what we put together for this year to try to avoid any sort of issues what we had last year.
Thank you for your time.
If you look at the bandstand on the screen, the bandstand is open.
And on our right -hand side from the first post, we're going to put a screen round that now wraps where the house is,
so that actually it becomes a kind of deflection for the noise.
So actually we'll push it away from the houses.
Something we didn't, to be honest with you, didn't even think about until this came up.
Thank you, that's useful.
I will allow one more.
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:35:16
You got anything new to add here?
Can I ask one question, please?
I will allow one.
Well, I couldn't understand. You pointed out you're going to listen out in three areas.
I got two of them, but I didn't get the third one. Can you repeat it, please?
Absolutely. So we have the Clifton Gardens.
Yes. We have the UHAT.
And then we have the... The what?
The UHAT. Yeah, yeah.
Sorry. And then the third one is between the Home Pine House and the Lee Street
in the park area. In the park area.
So you're not thinking of further down the Lee's Cliff Hall area because that's where it bounces?
We are happy to do it, yes.
We have no problems doing it in a fourth location as well.
Sorry, I've got too many people speaking.
SPEAKER - 0:36:07
Spencer Freeman, Source of Sounds.
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:36:11
One of the things is we've actually asked the hotels as well, down like the Clifton Hotel.
SPEAKER - 0:36:17
They actually sent us a letter to say that they were happy with the sound.
So they was actually okay with it.
And that is further down the leaves,
going towards obviously these, Cook Hall.
So we have got a letter from them stating
that they are happy with the noise levels.
Thank you.
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:36:38
I think...
It's a letter from the hotel to say
that the noise levels were okay last year.
Can they show it to you?
I'll take advice on that.
Introducing.
If anything wants to be relied on by the party,
Mr Tim Hixon - 0:37:04
it's going to need the consent of those making
representations and also the applicants.
So the same will apply to this poster of the public
spatial protection order.
For members to consider this as evidence of the hearing,
then you need to agree to it really.
So it's the representatives, if they're happy for this to be introduced now at this stage.
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:37:27
OK. Am I to understand both?
You're all happy for the letter to be shared?
And for you?
I'll go with the email.
SPEAKER - 0:38:21
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:38:36
I think we'll now turn to councillors to see whether you have any questions you'd like to put.
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:38:49
I have a question about litter.
It's very much a particular building
that you've been looking at to see.
I think I picked up from that presentation
that there are issues with litter in private gardens
as well, I don't know if that's what's the answer.
I'm wondering too, and they're talking about
those particular gardens on the existing gardens.
If there is any litter in those areas,
SPEAKER - 0:39:19
we are more than happy to send people in to clean it at our cost, not a problem at all.
We didn't know anything about this because we literally picked litter from the top to
the bottom and we left it immaculate. But if there is, and even going forward, if they
have an issue with that, we are more than happy to have somebody go and make sure that
anything that's there will be taken away.
I just, can I just add that is one of the reasons with the fencing off of the sheriff
SPEAKER - 0:39:46
for the security of the public as well, is containing everything inside the perimeter
of the event and that's why Lord Radner's Estates and Smith Woolly approved, okay, was
written consent to utilise the leaves with a fenced off area.
Because even though it's, I believe, it was gifted, that area, by Lord Radner's Estates
and they were happy for us to utilise it and fence it because obviously we wanted to contain
the people who are coming into a safer environment as well as be able to look after the
amount of like you know little rubbish in the contained environment.
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:40:23
Can I just ask how many people can be fitted into that fenced area at any one time?
SPEAKER - 0:40:37
This year we kept it at 3 ,000 so we asked every single document that we sent in
This year we cut it at 3 ,000 capacity.
Yes, Chair.
Cllr Tony Cooper - 0:40:49
Can I ask the environmental health, given the decibel levels that are mentioned in the
reports, what are they equivalent to, please, if at all possible?
I think it was 65 decibels.
Cllr Tony Cooper - 0:41:02
Is it 85 or 90?
FHDC Officer - 0:41:11
Yeah, 80 to 85 would be equivalent to like a busy high street,
loud, very loud conversations while it's going on.
And it's just general busy.
I can't give precise, because I did have it a minute ago, but let's have a look.
Yeah, it's like a loud vacuum cleaner, crowded pub or restaurant,
domestic drill at the lower end, diesel train passing by, that sort of levels.
I can have a little couple questions please, Chair.
Cllr Tony Cooper - 0:41:39
Cllr Tony Cooper - 0:41:45
If an individual or a family turns up, if it's a family event,
who are unable to make a donation. Would you still be lifting?
So, children are not charged. There's no charge for under 12 at all with a family.
And the reason for the cover charge is to cap the capacity to 3 ,000, because it would spill over 3 ,000 if we didn't.
But we've got emails from children with disabilities that have already applied to, can they bring the van in?
we've said of course they can, we'll give them access parking. We've got a quiet area
as well for a child with autism. We've got a group who come and does all that for us
as well. So we supply all that. If anybody ever tried to get in an event and couldn't
afford it, the answer would be 100 % yes, they can come in. If we're under 3 ,000, we'd be
happy to let the next 500 in for nothing. It never has been about the money, ever. As
I say, I'm personally losing money at the event.
Cllr Tony Cooper - 0:42:43
The final question is going to be this. There were complaints last year which you've acknowledged
and which you've apologised for and everything else. Now there was in the report and in quite
a few states that when people were trying to contact the Environmental Health and Environmental
Health tried to contact yourselves, the phone wasn't answered or whatever. What arrangements
So what can you show us this year?
Just go ahead.
That delta phone call will be answered.
Thank you.
So this year we are putting two different phone numbers.
What in fact we are able to do more if that's requested.
SPEAKER - 0:43:18
We're putting two phone numbers on each flyer.
So what we are going to hand out is
going to be one of the event organiser, and one of them
going to be the event manager.
That's how we try to avoid it, to make
sure it doesn't happen the same thing what happened last year.
Thank you.
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:43:47
Can I just ask, on the, sorry, seeing too many things.
So on the, you've got an 8 p .m. finish for each day.
I think earlier you mentioned you'd be turning
the sound down or off before that, what's the actual sort of...
So what we do is, the gentleman mentioned about the bass before,
SPEAKER - 0:44:13
actually the music we play is not actually a bass -lined music,
it's a more Balearic house kind of thing.
So, but we do tend to find from 7pm, we try to...
Because we want to bring the crowd more into a more relaxed,
when they leave they're not leaving like in a hyper,
We have to, like any music event, you always find the last few tracks are like, you know, you bring it down.
That's what we try to do. We bring the levels down at that time so we can disperse people in a very quick manner as well.
So, thank you.
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:44:48
Similarly then, does it build up the start of the day? Is that more subdued or does it really kick off at 11?
Well, it's more subdued.
Our whole idea is to take people...
SPEAKER - 0:44:56
with the style of music and genre we do, is to take people on a journey.
So we've got numerous DJs who are flying in from all over the world,
which have taken us about a year to book a head for this event.
So what the idea is, they play, so they take people on a journey,
so they build it up during the day, take it down, build it up.
So that's the whole idea of the genre of the music itself.
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:45:21
I'm sure there's some information in advance
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:45:23
that maybe in the past,
and so on, so I've got two questions about how far
that's been on the meeting,
and that's really interesting,
and also, did you have any concerns,
anything about what people can do
for the people in the meeting,
to the most concerned?
Yeah, so this year, we'll have somebody dedicated
SPEAKER - 0:45:46
just for the phone, so we'll put two numbers on it,
they can put three numbers on it if needed.
That one person will be responsible for answering all phone calls throughout the day
to make sure that if there's any complaints we need to turn down, we'll turn down.
We can go back as far as needed.
We'd look back at three streets.
When we sound checked at the last time, we found that when you go past the...
What's the music hall? Clifton Music Hall?
Yeah.
Clifton. As far back as that.
And at least three streets up.
I think it's probably half a mile radius round that area.
we can go further because we're going to leave that drop at every house just to make sure they've all got a number.
We're also going to do a social media post as well to make sure people can get the number as well
because 70 % of these people will see our posts and maybe even speak to Kent Online in the news
and do something with the newspaper and pay for an advert for the people as well. Anything we can basically is...
Last question for me, I think.
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:46:49
So who, what sort of managers or supervisors
will any of you be on site?
How does that work?
All three of us are on site, and we're all dedicated
to different jobs within the site.
SPEAKER - 0:47:00
So this year's event, because obviously
it'll be an offensive event, we're having security,
we're having back searches, we've actually got someone
with a wand to make sure there's nothing,
we want to make sure there's no issue
for people bringing any weapons or anything like that,
because that's one of the things, it's a family event.
And then we'll all be contactable,
and then we'll all have radios as well,
and our security will always be in contact with us as well,
and the marshals and the students.
So basically, David's in charge of all things,
food and drink, on the day.
Spencer oversees all artists and music,
and I site manage, so I've got the overall management
of the entire area.
So I'll be first point of call for all phone calls.
It'll be my number first, then it will be Spencer's,
and then David's will be last.
That would be the way we would do it.
I would be point of contact for any issues.
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:47:55
Yeah, so it was the same as September.
SPEAKER - 0:48:09
We did Northern Soul on the Sunday in September, which is a lot lower key than the Saturday,
exactly the same this year. But this year, the DJs who are doing the Sunday, the music is a lot slower.
We tend to kind of make the Saturday the main day and the Sunday we like to take it off.
It works for because we book different kinds of acts. So yeah, the Saturday would be the busy,
even through attendees, this Saturday will be the busiest event for sure.
The Sunday before sea maybe 1 ,500 people, kind of maximum.
The Sunday is what we call more Balearic House, so it's more that Spanishy kind of vibe.
Thank you, Chair. One final question.
Cllr Tony Cooper - 0:48:53
Did you have any public toilets around? Have you got 1 ,500 people comes this event?
Where is the local public toilets?
We bring toilets in.
How many booked?
Twenty toilets.
SPEAKER - 0:49:02
20 toilets and disabled toilets obviously and we also have toilets with wash hand dashes as well.
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:49:15
Thank you everyone, your, everyone's comments have been noted and we're going to now retire
to make our considerations and if you can bear with us we'll be back as soon as we've made a decision. Thank you.

5 An application for a Premises Licence in respect of: The Bandstand & Environs from Clifton Gardens (East) to Clifton Gardens (West), The Leas, Folkestone, Kent, CT20 2EB

Thank you everyone for bearing with us.
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:49:38
So, first of all I would like to say we are extremely synthetic to what residents have said.
And thank you for being here today and putting in your representations.
However, taking into consideration everything that has been put forward in the report and that we have seen today,
The panel feels that the noise management plan for the event is sufficient.
We note that we have not had any representations from the Environmental Protection team
and indeed the noise management plan has been agreed with the Environmental Protection team.
So we are therefore content that granting the licence would not undermine the licencing objectives.
So if I can have a proposer for that. Thank you.
I'll second.
Thank you. So that for the licences granted.