Audit and Governance Committee - Tuesday 14 May 2024, 6:00pm - Folkestone & Hythe webcasting

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Cllr Liz McShane - 0:00:17
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Cllr Liz McShane - 0:00:24
good evening everyone and thank you for making this extra meeting of the Audit and governance meeting to discuss the 22 23 occurrence
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I would like to remind Members that although we all have strong opinions on the matter under consideration it is important to treat members officers and public speakers with respect thank you

1 Apologies for Absence

can we have apologies for absence please thank you Chair we have no apologies
Mr Alex Baker - 0:01:30
any declarations of interest

2 Declarations of Interest

Cllr Liz McShane - 0:01:34
Cllr James Butcher - 0:01:35
but let's decamped a director opportunists

3 Statement of Accounts 2022/23 - Audit Findings

Cllr John Wing - 0:01:39
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:01:42
Cllr Adrian Lockwood - 0:01:43
any others Councillor Lockwood yet same on director of opportunity you
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:01:48
Cllr James Butcher - 0:01:49
turn to opportunities thank you OK that's good as it's a really got
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:01:51
three items on the agenda so we're going to be important and the meaty
Mr Ola Owolabi - 0:01:56
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:01:58
1 Statement of accounts 22 23 and the Audit findings quite a lot of pages to read but hopefully we've got lots of questions and comments to ask and the team here tonight so can I take it I can I ask Allah to introduce the or the report thank you but the ship and good evening
Mr Ola Owolabi - 0:02:15
everyone well the Deputy sex or offer full officer do reports of further fuel is the
22 23 statements of occult audits
I think we have previously attended your meeting where we present where we are provided you with a lot debts are where we are today is that the audit is nearing completion is nights 9 point 9 percent completed and it's not you should are during day
publication of the paper that you've got at the moment and having this meeting today the Auditor's still ongoing at the background and our my one or two issues that need addressing I will come back to that later I've got the Estella or discuss with us today or our Collins so provided comments in terms of the I such a 60 report
the good news is that the auditors as emphasised and make it clear that they will be issuing an unqualified audit opinion relating to 22 23 account which I think is good news and we know day seminal faculty itself which you've got a copy is a very very Matri report as a lot in there what we've done with the cover report is to provide you with an highlights to bring us significant areas which would think you need to be aware of we started by looking at the narrative report not it's a free parties where we try to break down all the technical language not using any juggle just in simple language in terms of what do report this our bar what is revenue what is capital what is our out all and I was do deserve can
following that you've got will recall a core financial state but and do sudden areas we have very very technical in nature that's where we look at a move better disasters meant we look at a comprehensive income unless spending short statement our ballot shade our cash flow and all the accounting policies as you'd be aware this document is guided is control by regulatory at Council in of our CFR is which is influential financial reporting Standard so
is set and we have to comply with all those accounting Code however
as a result of the audit there have been few findings which we need to bring wish Willie Twilight and that has been cover under section 4, decide the areas that the auditors deny the audit wish to pick up and there are more or less recommending an improvement going forward again, I would say this is not unusual. With every audit there will be areas, there would be amendment, there will be adjustments that will sit down with the external auditors and agree what to do because areas other sexual for us where
We managed to touch on the areas where we've actually made some adjustments and that included.
Valuation of land again just to make life easier with that every year, all the Council asset needs to be revalued.
that sort of subtle devaluation, you might have a property that's actually worth 10 million, last year this year it might be 8 million effectively, you have 2 million pulsing pyramids and that changes needs to be reflected in our accounts. So for point 3 of those we didn't, that simple highlights all earlier, all those areas where we think changes are required. They've been agree with the auditors and all those changes as we go through
To finish up section 4, what we've done as well is to bring to light an extract from the comprehensive income and expenditure account the extracts of those areas that, where you look at previous years and this year, if the, if anything, has changed significantly what our day,
Some of them, when you look at estates and oppression, is to do with impairment of assets or capital financing here and there, but it tends to be with depreciation impairment anything to do with our fixed assets.
There is the big one in there, which is mainly to do with our financial, as zone shows, where you look at our net divine liability relating to patients.
Section 5 of the report is to do with letter of representations and I think I'm going to come back and dealt with that in a minute.
Section 6 is about informing the auditory assessment and on that note I will call on our auditors so good through Harry Potter and I'm happy to take questions after thank you and I think if I draw your attention to page 16 of the packet literally the contents page of my audit findings report. So this is the report that I brought to Committee in March at the bottom. It says just note that the updates to this report in blue text is very obvious. What has changed since the last version of this report and as you go through the report which I will take as read, you'll be able to say see where we have now finalised some of our conclusions
Extra findings that we've made since March are all in Appendix D in blue, so you can see those are new findings from the report it brought in March. I think what is key is on page 17 of the pack, the headlines. So in that opening paragraph we've summarised the key adjustments that have been made that impact on the core statements, but also flagged, the ultimately there is no impact to the bottom line to the council's usable general fund reserves.
Some of those bullet points where we have work outstanding are now resolved, but as all a third at this point in time, we do have a few things that we're still bottoming out, that might.
result in further adjustments to the accounts that you see before you, I will stop there for any questions on the report.
Any questions, Councillor Campbell, thank you, first of all, it is a pretty comprehensive report, I did try and wade my way through some of
Cllr David Wimble - 0:09:21
it, although this will concern that, so it's still three months late from being signed off, is there any financial penalty to the Council as there would be for another business?
Because of this.
Thank you.
Mr Ola Owolabi - 0:09:40
I can confirm that there is no penalties or any financial implication for being late.
I just want to assure you, I swear that the issue of account closures across every authority in the countries there's a huge backlog, however.
What the government has done recently is that they have made it a requirement that the 22 23 accounts. Asked to be signed off by September September 2024,
What we've done is to actually said, will we do better than that are making sure that by May our account, the customer car for 22 23 will be sign off, thank you.
Can I just come back on nothing?
Cllr David Wimble - 0:10:34
I saw on the review about the article impairment and mountain things like Mountfield, where the power supply took a lot longer, so is still being sorted out now, which should have been done two years ago, really that wasn't originally seen as a big budgetary concern, but now it's obviously costing quite a lot is that affecting nice council will that be next year's accounts.
Thank you.
Mr Ola Owolabi - 0:11:07
the your comments in terms of photo pool and impairment, I'm not going to say it's a budgetary concern where we have here is not looking at the budget by looking at the actual at the end of the year, similar to what I said earlier at the end of each financial year, we need to revalue all those assets and, as a results of revaluing them, there might be impairment. I don't want to say depreciation. There may be impairment that impairment needs to be reflected within this snippet of a code
and because just as financial reporting financial reporting is about.
Complying with one counter regulation in terms of how we make our report is slightly different, so financial management we always talk about budget sets in budget monitoring, so some of the information that you we have within our comprehensive income and expenditure account will be both in monetary terms, something that is Monday, real money and something that is just an accounting entries, because something like an impairment is a technical accounting and interests. Devaluation of this building might be down this year in two years' time in my gross art, and we need to reflect that within the accounts. Thank you
and I think it's probably a question for Sophia and
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:12:40
Says the audit fieldwork is substantially complete, could you give us a flavour of what's left to do, and, given that we're going to get the deadline, make, the deadline for May rather than September, is that still on track for that earlier deadline?
Microphone F - 0:12:57
Thank you say in terms of
fieldwork. We do a lot of testing. All of that testing is complete. What we're trying to bottom out now, which is some final technical issues that will result in disclosure changes, so I'm not concerned that any of the changes will impact on the main statements or the council's bottom line. It's looking at the disclosures and reclassifying some things between different lines in those notes, making sure that things are right. Sometimes that might mean that you, the finance team, has to go back and look at the prior year, because the prior comparative also has to have to be stated in that manner. It's not a quick fix. So if the audit team identifies something, we have a lot of discussion with the Finance team so that we
Both to understand the issue were on the same page, and then the finance team has to go away and look at the adjustments and the adjustments can be quite complex, it can affect different notes in the accounts and, as I said, sometimes it affects the prior year as well, so we're just working through all of that at the moment I am confident that we will get that done by the end of May and that's the target that my team is working to with your finance team.
Do any other questions Councillor Butcher?
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:14:10
Cllr James Butcher - 0:14:11
Olly very helpfully set out for point 2.
function, external audits as some of the issues raised by the auditors and then the management response alongside, so I suppose a general question is how do we track this, how do we hear back about this to be sure that the management response is inadequately dealing with the issues raised by the auditors?
Thank you, Councillor Bridger, thank you for your observations, my thinking is.
Mr Ola Owolabi - 0:14:40
What will we need to do in terms of August Esler Audit finding is to put a trucker together without trucker would be able to come to official meeting and provide you with an update in terms of what we've done, where we are, what is what is work in progress or what has been completed or Philip by doing that you would be able to monitor the progress of some of them. Are this audit finding meet? Some of them is to do with trade balance mapping. We slept to know, we are already working on general authorisation. I think it's a quick win for us, something we can put a process in place to be able to address that. The debtors and creditors openly balances. I think, is something that we can address as well as swiftly as possible. We are planning to have. The Minister's debut place was that new financial management system is in place that will actually support our process and allow us to tumbles of this around as quickly as we can. Thank you, so that
Cllr James Butcher - 0:15:48
that track you talking about hello is natural, next meeting that that that can be in place. If Members decided to sit at our next meeting, I think is something that will look into and see how far, if only to provide you with an update. My expectation is that by next meets, the outcomes will have been signed off. We are currently working on 23 24 count somewhat distance to good enough for 23 24. Anyway, so we'd be
Mr Ola Owolabi - 0:16:15
able to be able to come back to you with an update. Thank you, and
Cllr James Butcher - 0:16:19
just on the general authorisation is the solution to they say, a kind of procedure, one rules one, or is that a technical solution? So someone
Agenda and she can't be made unless an authoriser input, something or how does the segregation of duties and so on, how does that actually work in practice, thank you what I would say that that is a normal
Mr Ola Owolabi - 0:16:44
accounting practice to have segregation in terms of how you authorise or join up if a finance officer or an officer Carlos Jolo they are not allowed to authorise it.
There has been a situation where a one-off situation, where a non monetary Jolo has been raised by an officer, and it has been approved by an officer which is not allowed in, she started at Sinclair's as we picked up our cordons system allow that to happen going forward, the system should not allow you to be able to do that.
Obviously we just sort of technically all of that, someone's trying to do it and they can't do it until I can't bring an option.
Jonathan Smith - 0:17:31
so what can normally happen is you can have a, what is, what's called a system control and IT control that prevents it from happening, so what we'll be doing is we will be looking at the system configuration to make sure that actually it does automatically prevent that from happening. That's the system that will make sure is in place and if it's if the system has a limitation whereby we can't implement that control, we will look at and process improvement to avoid a situation occurring. But the first port of call will be the technical conflict review of the system and seeing and seeing if we can implement the system control
any other questions.
Councillor Lockwood,
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:18:07
Thank you Chair what a tremendous amount of work has gone into this
Cllr Adrian Lockwood - 0:18:14
one, just amazing effort by officers and the auditors to get on with bring all this together, I noticed the first the first pass, a bit counts provided by the council didn't balance.
Is that and is that normal and did that because any kind of
delay and then a red in blue somewhere, this is a mistake on my part, I didn't write down where it was, but it's in there somewhere that there was holding up off waiting for some information.
Somewhere along the lines, I just it's not a criticism by any means, it's just it did this, my question is, did the process go smoothly, notwithstanding the odd hiccups that you get all the time, or are there some lessons to be learned for the next cycle?
Thank you, Councillor Lockwood, again, I think a council conventional
Mr Ola Owolabi - 0:19:11
wise is.
Your debit and credit needs to balance, so imbalances with dynamic clouds is not totally, is not allowed, however, looking at the issues that you've just raised, that was the result of the Travellers mapping, and that is what has resulted in that.
Something more balancing and decided the issues that has been picked up by the auditors and auditors has provided a new template that we need to complete. However, that template is slightly different to was refused before now that we are aware of that going forward, we need to put necessary measures, control and system in place to make sure that that does not repeat itself, but I can't see cooperation is there. Your debut's needs to be equal to your credit, so it has to pass. It's no longer lots of valets. Thank you
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:20:11
Any more questions at this stage, Councillor Godfrey.
but just a general observation really because we've had some of it
Cllr David Godfrey - 0:20:18
already a lot of report when we first started reading when I first started reading who talked about the reasons for delays from both sides, of my things have been done and what we're going to do to correct them that's a shine, it has prevented us looking forward a bit not happened at this stage, however,
My opinion is, it is better to do that and get it right than to rush it and miss a few things, so I'm happy with that and what I'm hearing is that the procedures you put in place will help us going forward, so we don't have those delays because on balance the
Report 4 March last year, 22 23 the Council doesn't look as though it's in a bad position, which is we need to have the information in from so that we can keep it in that shape, going forward and know what to do so.
it's really just an observation that I'm glad we're correcting those things from, and I'm glad we waited to get it right.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, that's a very helpful contribution,
Mr Ola Owolabi - 0:21:19
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:21:21
I'll let you want to continue to go through the LSB.
Mr Ola Owolabi - 0:21:28
thank you, what I need to head to the discussion is that the reports in front of you tonight, you have got four recommendations, the first one is so not the Grant Thornton.
I did find a report which is the isolated 60, the second one is to approve the updated estimate of account, the third one is to note the estimates Auditor's letter of representation.
And the first one is to know the auditors,
reported the Council audit risk, however.
Aim between publishing this report and where we have today.
Like I said earlier, the audit is still ongoing behind the same 1,009.9% of the audit has been completed, we will be getting an unqualified audit opinion,
However, the auditors has carried out what we can call one hot review, I'm sure Sylvia would be able to shed more light on that, what that are trivial, as done then is the day I've picked up some technical accounting areas which relate to one or two areas we didn't know or disclosure notes we'd need a bit of updating or a change to them.
and we had a meeting, ideally our thinking is to come to this meeting, approved and signed evidence enough, but where we had our meeting this morning and the artists came up, I think yesterday well our staff, so we missed so actually really visit some of those recommendations because,
We need to get it right and those discussion notes needs to be derived and I will call before going through in terms of solution, can I am going to colours Sophia so covered the audit review when it happens and the implications thank you.
Microphone F - 0:23:43
thank you all, I say what honour refers to the Hart review as a technical review of the financial statements it was triggered when the draft original draft set of accounts didn't balance, because the whole review would look at what the technical review would look at the accounts and identify areas that we need to go into more debt so we thought we cleared the majority of those points so I am not permitted to issue my opinion until the hot review and the financial reviewers is satisfied.
We were going through the final process of clearing that this week and last week, Surrey
I was explaining to all our we are a bit delayed on that because where we had a window to complete this order originally and in March.
My team and the rest of the firm is now heavily into NHS accounts audits, so the Hoe the technical review team, are very much need to focus on that work and that's their priority, so they haven't been able to look at clearing this orders technical review until this week when they looked at it they raised one more point and this is the point that we're going into in-depth now with the finance team.
But I am not permitted to issue the opinion until the technical review is cleared, so is a point where it's a bit of timing, but as Oleh and Jonathan have said, it's something where we want to make sure it's right so that going forwards we're starting on the right fitting for the 23 24 financial statements.
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:25:12
Councillor Rambo, realistically, then, all we can do is note the
Cllr David Wimble - 0:25:15
report because the reports not ready to be agreed, disagreed or anything, so it's a shame that this could have actually been delayed until after them, unhappy to propose that we note the report because that's all we can do one thing.
So just to follow.
Mr Ola Owolabi - 0:25:32
Sophia's comment there, so the suggestions for to light.
Is that the recommendation a bit too wishes to approve would not be possible tonight?
However, that recommendation can be changed in terms of another recommendation, the other recommendation is going to be delegates in the approval.
Of the accounts, so the sexual 1 5 phone officer in consultation and in conjunction with the share of the committee to sign the accounts to final accounts and letter of rep following the completion of the
outstanding item that has just come to light.
I think again, what I've just said is lots is normal in an accounting world.
For me personally, I think I've been doing this for a while, so it's not unusual, so Delhi Games sign enough of the audited accounts, such as sexual waffle officer in consultation with the Chair of the Committee.
so what we are proposing is to replace both recommendation to recommendation 3 with another recommendation which this Committee needs to approve, and I think we've got a copy to you and then take a copy for myself.
Alice?
I'll give you a copy can't get us.
Lydia Morrison - 0:27:49
I'd like 10 to bring severe back pain, and to give some assurance to the Committee that what her team are looking at does not materially impact in the understanding or that the statements are misrepresented, if I could could ask her to to hopefully.
report by
thank you, Lord Mayor, yes, so I am confident I've looked at the
Microphone F - 0:28:09
issues that the issue that we are dealing with and there will be no impact in terms of the core financial statements or the bottom line of the the accounts or the general fund reserves.
This is disclosure. This is looking to make sure that things are properly allocated and classified. What I would say is be happy with the report in front of you. That explains the changes to date. If you've got any questions or some of those adjustments, then ask them now of your finance team. I think that when the audit is finished, what I will be doing is updating the Audit findings report for a final time. So maybe another colour of text to show you what is different and again that will be circulated. I believe so you can ask any further questions, but the adjustments that I am expecting will not change the reader's view of the financial statements as they are now. It's just further detailed further classification within disclosures. Thank you
contributor and go yeah thanks France, Sofia and, just like I suppose,
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:29:15
Cllr James Butcher - 0:29:16
on both always saying how common uncommon in your experience is this
Microphone F - 0:29:24
eventuality? Thank you, Councillor, very common, so typically most Audit Committees that I go to will have a set of financial statements in front of them that are up to date as to that point, but then the authority is delegated to the Section 1 5 1, as Allah has described, in conjunction with consultation consulting with the Chair, to explain if any further changes, if any further changes should arrives
It is quite typical, because an order is never finished until the auditor is satisfied that we've looked everything, we have all the answers or the adjustments have been made, so this is this is quite normal.
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:30:03
Councillor Womble, some new is certainly not call of high to really
Cllr David Wimble - 0:30:06
comment on any of this, is it OK to ask our independent member, who is an accountant what his opinion is for guidance on anything?
would you like to comment show your wisdom yeah I mean it is, it is
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:30:21
Mr Andy Vanburen - 0:30:23
usual to have adjustments, but I would say it's unusual to have at such a late stage.
Really, this meeting perhaps should have been postponed, this is especially coordinating as far as I'm aware, specifically to approve the documents, and yet we are unable to do so.
What are your signs of fear, I think, is that there's no number changes in the accounts, so disclosure is a narrative description in the notes.
But could impact on prior.
So possibly restated early on, I'm not sure say no changes to the core financial statements, but within the disclosures, there will be
Microphone F - 0:31:04
changes, say, for instance, if it were short term debtors and long-term debtors classification, there might be a difference in between those
But to the core financial statements. No, we have been working, I mean, I do want to say thank you to your Finance team, especially Jonathan Downey Victoria, because they've been working tirelessly on their squad. They've also had to be starting to look at the financial statements for 23 24. I think that we've got to a point where we wanted to close us down in April, but because we've drifted past that point, your teams got other responsibilities. My team is, I'm trying to pull my team back from their current jobs to finish this it we are a bit stretch, which is why we've got to where we are
and, for instance.
There are things that we just need to bottom out and be happy with so.
we that only came to light yesterday, I would say, and we we had meetings today, to try and figure out what was the best way forward, I think that the suggestion now is a better suggestion than to have another meeting where you will come to approve the accounts, so, as I said, I think we have to be happy that you've questioned the changes that you see before you and if any further adjustments come with the final set of accounts and my final report again have that opportunity to ask questions, it will be done, I think, in a virtual setting but rather than a face-to-face meeting. Yes,
Mr Ola Owolabi - 0:32:38
the current focus shirt again in terms of the mill recommendation that has been circulated on groups already for Barnet.
What we are suggesting is that the audit and governance committee approve that delegation is given through the interim director of governance and finance in brackets sexual lawful officer, in conjunction with the share of the audit and governance committee, to approve in brackets following the completion of the audit,
To approve the following items.
The letter of representation for the estimated crowd 22 23 define a audit time-out of account 22 23
thank you happy to take questions, Councillor wing.
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:33:33
can I ask for a short recess so we can get to given to police food as
Cllr John Wing - 0:33:37
the committee I think, yes, what we need now yeah well until or when individuals, I think it'd be good if you sit down even next door and we have had a little chat and see where we are and how we feel is certainly happy with that.
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:33:54
And we have been specific.
OK, sorry, five minutes.
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3 Statement of Accounts 2022/23 - Audit Findings

Cllr John Wing - 0:34:04
so we had a constructive conversation and chat amongst ourselves and
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:34:12
if the consensus is that the committee would like to come back, when the courts and whatever is left to do, is finished, completed and have another meeting, we don't feel comfortable.
and delegating it so, and we're happy to get another meeting in the diary and do it.
Make sure they're done properly and face to face, so hopefully we can find a date that will suit everyone here.
shall we continue with the questions we had any outstanding questions, I think Councillor Procter had some?
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:34:51
yes, it was just a question about reserves, not a question for now, but to hear back it was about the climate change reserve and wanting
Cllr James Butcher - 0:34:57
to understand the detail behind the movements out of that reserve, and I wonder if at some point we could have a report on just what's being spent and on what,
Thank you very much.
Cllr James Butcher - 0:35:18
In the Chair, we would just need you to have a proposer and a seconder
Miss Ellen Joyce - 0:35:25
for the recommendations with regards to coming back from another meeting.
Councillor Rumble, would you like to propose another meeting, happy to
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:35:35
propose a secretary replace Councillor Godfrey, thank you?
Agreed
Cllr David Wimble - 0:35:40
Any animus, thank you.
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:35:42
Should we still go through the documents in front of us or leave that?
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:35:54
Any outstanding questions for tonight or you must leave it until we get, and I might just to check the other recommendations that were noting, are we going to cover that up, we cover that offline in the subsequent meeting, as I write.
Cllr James Butcher - 0:36:11
so I think it's point for it's worth you just noting that management's responses, and if there is anything in those responses that you wanted to ask management about or query, then now is the time to do it, thank you.
I ask the question.
Any questions from the Committee on that no.
So do we propose than noting?
Proposed lifting.
It does not use its recommendations to.
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:36:59
So can I ask the committee to note Grant Thornton, spinal 2023 audit findings and report ASC to 60 that we've got in front of us?
Happy to propose seconder.
Councillor Wing, thank you.
Not unanimous, thank you.
Cllr David Wimble - 0:37:16
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:37:19
The meeting slows, thank you, everyone and sorry to add another meeting to your diaries, but I think it's probably the best time.
Cllr Liz McShane - 0:37:26
I'm a bit, we feel happy with that, but thank you all for your work so far.