Planning and Licensing Committee - Tuesday 16 July 2024, 7:00pm - Folkestone & Hythe webcasting

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good evening.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:00:05
good evening and welcome to remain 2 of the Planning and Licensing Committee. This meeting will be webcast live to the internet, for those who do not wish to be recorded or filmed, you will need to leave the Chamber for members officers and others speaking at the meeting. It is important that the microphones are used so that viewers on the webcast and others in the room my here you would then run with the mobile phone police switched to silent
as they can be very distracting and sometimes interfere with the electrical equipment, I would like to remind Members that, although there had strong opinions on matters under consideration, it is important to train members officers and public speakers with respect.
some members, as Chair of this Committee, I would like to make a statement for the benefit of all Councillors, present at the meeting and for members of the public, the applications before you tonight, and indeed any applications you considering the future must be considered on planning merits only.
it is essential that Members adhere to this principle and ensure that their decisions tonight are based on the papers before you and any information provided to new during this meeting, this is not the forum to discuss any ancillary issues relating to planning applications before you say we will now move on and do we have any apologies for absence please?

1 Apologies for Absence

Mr Alex Baker - 0:01:32
thank you Chair, we absolutely apologies from Councillor is probably by Mark.
welcome.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:01:41
good evening, thank you, what I would say if you can come a little bit closer to the might because I have problems here and we are not going to go away, thank you.

2 Declarations of Interest

do we have any declarations of interest, please?
I'm seeing none solely removal.

3 Minutes

you have before you the minutes of the meeting of the 18th of June to consider and approve as correct record, my Eisenman place.
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4 23/2082/FH - Plot B, Mountfield Road, Land Rear Plot 15, Collins Road, New Romney, TN28 8LH

for disarmament, I thought perhaps the Council to do so
so we move on to plot B Mountfield Road, the land be o'clock 15 23
Folkestone & Hythe Officer - 0:02:31
dash 2082 dash as ancient do we have any updates, please no updates.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:02:35
thank you, so we'll come on to our first speaker, which is actually Councillor Paul Thomas Councillor Thomas should add everybody else you can remind suited if you so wish, or you can go to the podium.
thank you, your three minutes will start when you do, thank you.
yeah, thank you Chair just a couple of things, I think, really
Cllr Paul Thomas - 0:02:58
excellent report, thank you very much are very easy to follow.
there were no objections from your only child Council, 52 neighbours consulted, No comments came back on that, which is a really good position to be in.
this particular Planning application will provide jobs for Romney, Marsh, which is which is a great thing to see.
and I'd like to move the officers report and recommend approval, thank you, Councillor Fuller.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:03:26
non-porous, just to say, I am happy to second and be one of the things
Cllr Gary Fuller - 0:03:33
that I really like about it actually is the is half of the parking spaces bringing Electric yeah for electric vehicles or thought that was a really good sort trend to set as it were and something that hopefully others will follow.
thank you, so we have posting of secondary with anyone else like to
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:03:50
speak on this item, Councillor garage, thank you, it's true, and just
Cllr Clive Goddard - 0:03:54
to echo Councillor Thomas, really excellent report, they get bedroom, vary each age rating, but you are very important for the morale, obviously Mountfield is the hub of of industry on the motion and will no longer be so fully support it and,
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:04:14
yeah, minority, thank you can Scott out Councillor sheep, thank you,
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:04:18
probably not surprisingly, took that focus to hit it was just on the on the plans it sort of or in the bushes right on the the for the far edge and just you know is,
cycle storage provision is going to be so may actually properly used for closer to the the buildings, rather than just squeezed into the edge will be.
I think much more likely to be well used.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:04:53
thank you, can we possibly asked the applicant to look at whether cycle storages and I totally take that on board, because the last thing you want is your your wet turning up to work on your break in the bad weather, and then you're having to walk through the mud to get to the actual officers or the unit, so I do take that on board but are being told that the officer can speak to the moment.
yes, Chair, certainly we can raise that with the applicant.
Folkestone & Hythe Officer - 0:05:19
Mr David Campbell - 0:05:27
yes, I mean we can raise it with them, but just that you are aware we are being asked to approve the plans for the before you today, the advantage of having the cycle storage in the position that it is is that it is covered with landscaping, so the idea I think would have been to make it aesthetically more pleasing it's also about the way of any parking and vehicle movements so,
but yes, we're happy to flag at, but just so that it's clear this is what we are and where we are, we are approving today.
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:05:58
perhaps, on those grounds, perhaps might ask them for the the car parking to be more aesthetically pleasing.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:06:06
as we said, we're looking at the application that's referrals today, and we have a proposer and seconder with anyone else, Councillor Richard.
Cllr James Butcher - 0:06:16
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:06:21
just on that point, I think if you're a cyclist, the idea that the chauffeur is particularly pleasing rather than convenient, it would be nice to see designers on their bikes when deciding where to put some shelters just a couple of questions condition 8 about biodiversity and I appreciate this is.
it comes in before the biodiversity maintain Regulations.
how does condition 8 compare with what would be required if it was subject to?
biodiversity, gain Regulations.
Mr David Campbell - 0:06:53
and so, yes, it's and biodiversity net gain is quite a new piece of legislation for us, and if I'm honest, Wirral need are getting to grips with it.
of our ourselves, the things to point out is that it we can't employ that at the moment, because this was submitted before biodiversity net gain, but we still want to encourage people and, in turn, to do as much biodiversity as we can and what happens with those that condition as we we will work with KCC ecology who will be consulted on the condition hopefully to get as much as we can do on the site.
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:07:28
I think thank you and just another question I appreciate where we're looking at the plans as submitted, I'm just curious about what our options are to expect or encourage rooftop solar, on warehouse developments.
Mr David Campbell - 0:07:44
yes, I mean we we we we can put on.
informative I supposed to say that,
councillors would like the advocate an applicant to consider in the future we've Toploader will bring, it, will flag it up to their attention.
might but might need a different process, but we accept become flagged that to.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:08:11
what I would say again is we're looking at the application as it stands this evening.
we can obviously until the applicants so wish list items, but they certainly under no obligation to do that.
depending on whether we agree or disagree for me, I guess my question
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:08:32
was what's our scope and as plans come forward to create that expectation because he's a whole load easier to do it in something being built gremlin retrofitting later on?
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:08:46
I would, I would say, actually, that that's outside the scope of this Committee this evening and I will pass that if you want, if you like,
Mr David Campbell - 0:08:55
to come back on that certainly, and I think this is the first thing to draw your attention to is the condition 17 that where we've asked for BREEAM very good standard or equivalent so in terms of energy efficiency that was our that that's how we wish to encourage them to be as good as they possibly can be.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:09:16
are you happy with that answer, Councillor Richard, thank you, would anyone else like to speak on this?
Cllr Jennifer Hollingsbee - 0:09:25
Councillor means that any really thank you, Chairman, to, and also what people have said previously and to say in our Mountfield that Mountfield is industrial unit for the Marsh, it is a place where we want to create employment and so coming coming forward with this application I think is great.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:09:46
so I will be supporting me, thank you, I think we all support anything that will bring well needed jobs into the area, so we have one proposal and that is to accept the officer's recommendation.
all those in favour, please raise your hand.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:10:02
I can see that she unanimously that has passed, thank you very much.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:10:12
so we move on to our second.

5 24/0466/FH - 25 Dymchurch Road, St Marys Bay, Romney Marsh, TN29 0ET

our second an application of this evening, which is 24 dash 0 4 6 6 dash if Ange, which is 25 didn't Church Road, St Mary's and Romney Marsh, and some of you may remember, this was deferred to gain some extra clarity regarding some of the items, but as we come forward we have our say do we have any updates?
Folkestone & Hythe Officer - 0:10:43
thank you, Jay us, for a couple of updates or, and more matters of clarification, say the proposal description itself should read Retention of and use of existing outbuilding, there is a word missing from the proposal, and we were also suggesting an amendment to condition 2 that should read all visiting customers deliveries and collections according associated with commercial breeding and setting of fish should not be carried out except between the hours within that condition.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:11:14
thank you, thank you, we have two speakers on this, our first speaker is Andrew Green, who is to speak on behalf of the application, so if you'd like to come forward.
and you will have three minutes from when we start, thank you very much.
Microphone Forty - 0:11:33
good evening more names Andy Green on the applicant 24th in Church Road. After 42 years we took the decision in 2022 2 semi, which are a move to Kent and seize their begin. Fish species just offering a very small Scouse and special goldfish, especially is keeping and breeding these fish has been my lifelong hobby. We do not show any other fish apart from goldfish. We do advertised viewing by appointment as we want you to avoid at all costs people just turning up on our doorstep, thinking reassure. However, if you're a local residents, we have allowed a collection to site carries charge of 30 pounds. The 66 potential Facebook check-ins comments made previously by Councillor Mike Blakemore, was not correct, and it appears that when we were updating our Facebook page, this was automatically creating a checking, so did not represent people actually visiting us, the social media, for what is now being rectified, previously, also mentioned by Councillor probably Blankney where we do advertise open days and seats move into Kane. We have held one in conjunction with bigotry Society of Great Britain exhibition. This took place last September, was held in the St Mary's by village,
local disjoint event all customers, goldfish societies and people genuinely interested in pregnancy goldfish to the St Mary's by Benito, not only local people but visitors from all over the UK and Europe, this in turn resulted in many local hotels, BNB, local restaurants and public houses being used and of course in term providing support for our local fully Chol.
we hope to run the event again in 2025. I would also like to mention within the area of the St Mary's in the Marsh, there are several our other at home businesses, for example hairdressing, facial aesthetics, stockroom is Airbnb, based all can be found on social media. We also have a neighbour, certainly push bikes and trailers from the front of his garden, a garage in the cafe, a hundred yards along the road from us and an actual fish retail outlet a couple of miles just down the road selling fish from his house in a cul-de-sac I could go on, but the point is we certainly do not live in the middle of the totally residential areas pried previously projected by Councillor paper. I would also like to try and put our application input in perspective. We sell approximately on average 15 to 20 small boxes of fish per week. These are collected by career most of those boxes containing one fish. Finally, I would like to say in all of this we are just one neighbour objection to our change of use application, but we had the support of numerous local neighbours with no objections by any of the relevant authorities. Our application is being presented to this also includes the Folkestone and Hythe district council, animal licence department and, as you know, the planning department is also in support of our application. Thank you for the Titans time to listen to me and I hope to manage to clarify some of the issues raised at the previous meeting. Thank you. Thank you, sir.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:14:38
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:14:43
and our second speaker tenant is local residents who will check.
and he's speaking in support of the application you have three minutes when he starts.
Microphone Forty - 0:14:57
good evening, anonymous poor wheelchair, I moved to 2014 Church Road in 1988, with my family has therefore been nourished number 25 for 36 years I can speak with some authority and how the property has been used over those years, I note the objections to the application but feel it's important to provide an alternative view in the interests of balance for the first 12 years after we maintain number 25 was occupied by Bernard,
jobbing mechanics.
the entire plot, both front and back, was filled with motor vehicles in various states of disrepair during his time Bernard erected a number of timber buildings on the property to store some of the better condition vehicles and equipment most days it was banging, grinding and riveting taking place Bernard died in the property was effectively a ban nearly three years the bungalow and outbuildings deteriorated, the garden became substantially grain.
on the outbuildings started to fall apart, subsequently the property was purchased by Kevin, there are great plans to improve their property, however, Kevin's vision never came to fruition.
due to health issues and work commitments, the property overwhelmed Kevin and over the next 15 years outbuildings garden of fabric of The bungalow continued to decline in particularly outbuildings eventually partially collapsed. Around 22 2022 the property was purchased by any green. Since then, substantial progress has been made. The near Wrexham wooden buildings have been demolished and the garden cleared new buildings have been erected. Instructions of the high standard, including the painting the exotic blend in with the surrounding properties the bungalow has been, we prefer, been refurbished and improve again, external decoration is to a very high standard. The property is now in a condition not seen by us since we moved in because of the history on very alert to the return to the old days
taken a close interest in the proposals, the applicant is taking the time to call Random number of occasions and consult me on the proposals for the life fish supply business.
he has answered my questions in detail, he has assured me over concerns, I have about customer traffic, he assures me, he is not his intention to industrial noise, the property, to my knowledge, the fish of cooperation has been running for some months I can state from experience that there is no intrusive noise no smell I've noticed a van or Roy once a week for about 15 minutes always during office hours.
this causes no problems and is keeping in keeping with a daily deliveries along the length of the road or Tsukamoto, supermarkets, Royal Mail and Amazon, launching at the commercial be outbuilding, is all internal and does not pose any light pollution issues, the internal lighting is no more noticeable than nearby dwellings, in fact, the outbuilding lighting is less intrusive in the street lighting at the front of the properties.
I am disappointed that some elected representatives have chosen to support the objections raised seek, in my view, as the other in immediate next door neighbour.
in my view, the multiple objections right now, can you finish your sentence, please do not stand here, is scrutiny, nor do they reflect the daily lived experience of me and my wife.
thank you for.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:18:15
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:18:19
councillors, I'd like to come to Councillor Cooper first and then Councillor Wednesday.
thank you Chair.
Cllr Tony Cooper - 0:18:28
first of all, as elected representatives were which make difficult decisions respected, in full courtesy, Lewes Chair, I would like to say this.
whilst in schools in the area that we have local businesses and they should not be discouraged. There has been a lot of anxiety in this area. Regarding this, I am back to be pleased. Mr Green, the applicant is actually give us influence and left obviously changes people's perceptions. As regards this, as regards his next door neighbour, I actually live in this area and Molly Brown upon things there was nothing stopping either or both of you coming to see me, or even given any thought to have a chat before we got here anyway. The point being is this year by the Chair, I am unaware of in a lot of people, are probably a few suggestions about the way in the within Development Manager, on planning work, it was to come away from those
Colin Campbell, she looks is happy with that, I will not stand in the way of this application.
thank you, Councillor Cooper, would you not to run through some of the
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:19:30
possible conditions that being brought forward yeah?
so the we've got a suggested condition on no public.
visitors or or customers, retail or otherwise, to visit the site of the worms come within each one in my life.
okay, there's the no external plant machinery or lighting which will note has already attached to the application.
there is
details that change and the disposal of water associated waste from the tanks.
a further one to do with chemicals and fish food being stored away in locked secure areas, no fish to be displayed offered or sold to the public visitors or customers on site, no waste associated with the operation of the business and to be placed more disposed of in domestic refuse or collections commercial commercial waste carriers and not domestic refuse services.
shall deal with waste on site.
commercial rates to be levied by the local authority on the business, no private or public vehicles be allowed on site as a knows, the Commercial delivery and collection of fish De La Soul, online materials, chemicals and associated equipment, and no deliveries of any thought other than the about for collection of wastes to take place before 9 am or after 4 pm.
no retail use or any other advertising to be seen from the road and no public allowed to visit and view the fish any breaches any and all breaches or changes to these to be reported back to the Planning Committee and as Councillor Cooper, you happy to that.
you have as as a summary.
thank you, yeah, so, and you'll note that.
first of all, we we, we are proposing a condition to do with people not visiting the site abandoned between certain hours.
we can you know what we're welcome your thoughts on those hours we can look to mainly restricting to, for example, nine to five and change them second condition and do with external plant machinery lighting has already been attached to the application.
in terms of details on waste and disposal, that is one that we could look to add, there are numerous conditions or suggestions here about concerning waste, which I will propose, we amalgamate into one saying details of waste collection, I think the applicant has said that a filtration system is used on the property,
already, but if that is something that members are concerned about, we could actually ask you the condition on asking for more.
details.
in terms of the condition to do with.
visitors, not coming to the site, I'm my concern with those is that it's very, very difficult to enforce against in terms of who how we would tell whether or not they were.
in and one collection, in accordance with the condition or delivery, or even family members or anyone else, it would routinely visit the property, I think I think that would fail the condition tests are being enforceable.
like I said, there would be we we owe, our approach to, that would be to look to restrict the hours when there is of operates, all those activities can take place, I said we could look for reduced hours if that was something that you were concerned with in terms of commercial rates, that's not something that we would consider under as as as as a planning application and we wouldn't be able to do anything on those ground in terms of private or public vehicles again this this the enforceability issue of
how do we know that who is who is actually visiting the site, but there could be Grendel family, for example?
in terms of advertising, other are permitted development rights on on on on, on advertising, some that you do need advertisement consensual.
but we don't have any proposals in front of us today to do with advertising hits to speak the application, that is before you, and in terms of enforcement we do have enforcement procedures and that would investigate, and this as we would do any other breach so I'm I don't we wouldn't be able to put any conditions on that we would also those enforcement processes here today but stated enforcement.
thank you.
thank you. I hope that makes it a bit clearer counts, Councillor money-spinning. Yes, thank you, well, I'm I'm going to move the
Cllr Jennifer Hollingsbee - 0:24:17
application as is, as I did at the last meeting, I think I mean the applicant has come along and, and either I think it's very clarified it, certainly for me, but I don't see need to add further conditions. I think the conditions are there already in the application are satisfactory is on I move the application as it sounds. Thank you,
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:24:39
Councillor, when they are already had a seconder over here, is that's why certain hands are coming up? I just wonder
Cllr Nicola Keen - 0:24:50
there's something in here about waste collection between certain period, I don't think you can see that it cannot be clear on that because of medical waste is picked up at 7.00 in the morning, we can't get towards them the time it's when Biffa can come to our house.
so how can we enforce the current revenue says Lehrer firmly that has support to collect commercial waste? I'm a bit worried about that missing because you know we don't want it to go into. In any case, normal, powerful ones that were reporting restricted on commercial waste. I think that some far thank you, Councillor King, with one
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:25:25
Cllr Clive Goddard - 0:25:27
Councillor gone up. Thank you Chair your opera or Princess support, my colleague Councillor came in all, I think Mr Green and Mr wheelchair or I've done all their homework, lively store it
Mr Graham spike into points in the in in and around the area.
as soon as passionate and the the conditions of incur response.
with the
with the current condition so happy to support where I'm happy to support the small business.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:26:00
thank you, Councillor Jones and yeah, just occurring that really, I
Cllr Anita Jones - 0:26:06
think this is an accident report and it's outlines the issues that we were concerned about last time, so I'm they seem to have been resolved so again really happen to move forward with this and I wish them luck
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:26:17
with our business. Thank you, Councillor Jones, Councillor Thomas yeah, thank you Chair just a couple of questions. The second speaker alluded to the fact that some buildings had been knocked down and
Cllr Paul Thomas - 0:26:26
others have been built in the last few years, but that doesn't appear in Section 4.1 of the report. So how were those buildings built under what approval
were they would, they will pass more question.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:26:43
if the office would like to thank you, that forms part of the proposal
Folkestone & Hythe Officer - 0:26:47
description for the retention of and use of that outbuilding and would form part of the planning permission should it be granted here.
Cllr Paul Thomas - 0:26:59
so that in in essence, is a retrospective request, OK that sort of gone on that, thank you very much, and if I may as well Chair in the neighborhood, prime percent Marianne, the Marsh.
Jefferson Lane as the primary location for commercial enterprise, but in the plan it doesn't actually specify the size of the commercial operation, is something that we need to consider them to go back and revisit, perhaps in terms of what's allowable, outside of that, Sir commercial area and again and as we heard from the Speaker, there are other small businesses also lined up during other things. We don't want to deter that far from it, because you know we want people to be able to enjoy and
one, whatever business they like, but again I just wanted to know how do we had reached so capture that? Thank you, Chair. Yes, I do mean in
Mr David Campbell - 0:27:51
terms of relooking at the the Neighbourhood Plan agreement. I mean, that would be a decision for the Parish Council if they wish to revisit re re, because it that one I mean as the application stands in line with current policy, and that's what we've got to basically assess it on tonight, and I think we we, we can't identify any conflicts with it, although the council's plan, or indeed the neighborhood plan, either
and if I may, just finally, I think one of the things that this is
Cllr Paul Thomas - 0:28:19
plankton item we've had a number of times over the years for for different applications, and that is if people follow the rules from day one, then we won't be dealing with some of the things that we have to deal with in a retrospective manner. So again I think the message needs to go out that if people do follow the rules and get planning or planning permission for things before they actually stopped building, then all those things which sit down stream that can be dealt with in in in a more collaborative way is is one. So thank you very much
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:28:50
Chair, thank you, Councillor Thomas Murray, beneath that would be absolutely perfect role, but unfortunately it doesn't always work like that. Councillor for
thank you Chair, that's actually maybe thing one more point as well, and that is obviously the second speaker mentioned that they hadn't
Cllr Gary Fuller - 0:29:03
been sort of, I wanna, come round and spoken to a number.
that suggests there is a wider issue, and it's not necessarily just for this Council but just in general about how planning consultation takes place, because it took us pushing these back for the people that support it to actually come out of the woodwork for one of the they're very and actually saying say how they felt whereas obviously it's quite natural for people that are opposed something to to.
jump up and down and down and then yeah, so how we as a Council and as I said, this is probably a wider issue, not necessarily specifically for the Planning Committee, but how we as a council can deal with that so that we do get a clearer picture of the interviews is something that may be we can consider and perhaps feedback to the incoming government as a new everything.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:29:55
thank you, Councillor Fuller, I know that the consultation letters, our and under law as to who needs to be consulted, and I'm absolutely certain that they have gone through and the notices, et cetera, et cetera, but you may well be right because we do find quite a lot to applications where people say 0, I never knew about that and they did just round the corner so they wouldn't have been included so maybe hopefully something I will come through as the new planning laws come through Councillor Butcher,
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:30:28
programme and just to reply to Gary that, I think, on the Overview and Scrutiny Work Programme we've got planning and it's how communities engage with planning, as the topic at some point carbon bomb sample.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:30:39
lovely to hear, on top of that already.
so we have one parcel 1 seconder to accept this with the conditions that are currently on their the conditions that came forward from Councillor Cooper, I'm I think we've agreed some of those could not be enforced, Minister, who turns up, however, the ones regarding what I regard as the health and safety.
to me seemed to have already been put onto the new application, so I personally will be accepting that, but if no one else would like to speak on this one, all those in favour of accepting the officers recommendation with the conditions please,
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:31:22
that's unanimous good luck with your business and I hope you enjoy it, thank you very much.

6 Appeals Update

Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:31:43
so Committee and I did quite had a quick on this evening and non graduates gone so well.
at the back of your paperwork today you will see the normal update about the appeals decisions that had been received, I did look through it and I was quite encouraged by some of them, which is good news, but if I can hand over to the officer he'll give us a slightly more in-depth info on it, thank you.
Mr David Campbell - 0:32:11
yes, thank you yeah, we were pleased that.
as the the the paper set out that the Inspector have supported us on the vast majority of the appeals that we've had, think, there's, the report says, Sir Philip or a 72% success rate with with, which is good, a few kind of them takeaways or learning.
points from the south wins the Lancet Cottage and and the Matopiba application, and how we, I think we have a look at those going forward but has not bits but a lot very encouraging.
thank you, Councillor Fuller is Grafton Cottage, gonna be including
Cllr Gary Fuller - 0:32:52
those learnings especially round, so I mean having been sort of tangentially involved in that I did feel like maybe the Heritage Officer was being very strict, as it were, and perhaps is the planning inspector agreed, say the something we can look at in terms of yes this whole issue.
Mr David Campbell - 0:33:15
yes, apologies I missed, I missed grafting cottage of my list but yeah certainly there will be an early opportunity there to.
we didn't have a councillor right to ask a question or make Mead Councillor statement.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:33:24
Cllr Jeremy Speakman - 0:33:29
I think, yes, where we appeal.
has been,
allowed isn't always a question of that costs will be all the answers under those occasions, and no, so the the the appellants would have to apply to costs as a separate a separate issue, and it's treated as a separate decision by the inspectorate and renewable the latter.
and the percentage of
well, as were successful in in terms is actual commensurate with the double local authorities who I didn't have any figures here, Prophète compare that.
yes, I, I'm I'm not sure.
thank you all.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:34:12
in reply to that, I think we're doing quite well, we can always do better, 100% in our favour would be nice, but I think we do better, would anyone else might to ask any more questions, Councillor Walker, it's not actually requested show that it is just the comments saying
Cllr Belinda Walker - 0:34:27
and that's our boundary bays and appreciate Mr Councillor anybody else things reports of another youthful Monday morning.
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:34:36
and I totally agree with that, Councillor Malcolm, would anyone else like to say anything no, so that is the end of the planning.
and Licensing Committee this evening, I'd like to thank the officers for some very, very good reports, this time, thank you for your debate, thank you to the public and have good evening everybody, thank you.