Licensing Sub-Committee - Monday 22 July 2024, 11:00am - Folkestone & Hythe webcasting

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1 Election of Chair for the meeting

Mr Alex Baker - 0:00:04
Good morning we will move to the first item on the agenda, which is the election of the Chair can have any nominations for.
thank you, can I have a show of hands?
Mr Alex Baker - 0:00:16
thank you, Councillor Blake, M interruptions, Chair dismal form, could you please read out the text in front of the school?

2 Apologies of absence

Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:00:30
Good morning and welcome to the meeting of the Licensing Sub-Committee, this meeting will be webcast live to the internet, for those who do not wish to be recorded or filmed that you will need to leave the Chamber.
for members officers and other speaking at the meeting, it is important that the microphones used severe is on a webcast and others in the room, making you would anyone with a mobile phone, please switched to silent mode, as they can be distracting. I would like to remind members that although we all have strong opinions on matters under consideration, it is important to treat members officers and public speakers with respect. Thank you,
so, turning to the second item, apologies for absence.
sorry, I've seen an.
and then the third item on the agenda declarations of interest, please.
Councillor Mead,
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:01:30
thank you Chair, I just need to declare not an interest, but I do know the owner of kettles, and he happens to be the Treasurer of the local Labour party, of which I am a member.
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:01:42
Cllr Nicola Keen - 0:01:45
I'm saying I don't know him personally, but I know him through my membership with the local Labour party, thank you.
Microphone A - 0:01:58
the the owner of chemicals is knocked him, Morgan know the owner of the premises, at least from Mr Morgan and G F, or all of the owners of capital.
in that case my declaration is slightly different, but Tim Morgan has some holding, we've had some interest in it, but that he is not yet right, so if my declaration and Councillor Keens could reflect that onto patient, I just thought I clarify sorry account, certainly thank you thank you very much.
OK.

3 Declarations of interest

4 Declarations of lobbying

Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:02:38
the first item is declarations of lobbying, and we just have forms to complete on that front, say nothing else.

5 Application to Vary the Premises Licence in respect of: Keppel's Bar, The Grand, The Leas, CT20 2LR

to declare here and then we move on to Item 5, which is the application to vary the premises licence in respect of petals file, the Grand on the lease
John Bickel - 0:03:00
do we have a report on? Thank you Chair. It's report number DC 2 4 1 3 Andrew some application to vary the premises licence in respect of kettles bar the ground. These ct 22 allow this report outlines the application may made by kettles bow to vary the existing premises licence. For these premises, the Licensing Sub-Committee must determine the outcome for the application. The committee is asked to consider the application to vary the premises licence. When considering the application, the Committee must ensure they fully promote the licensing objectives. The Committees it is obliged to have regard to the revised national section 1 8 2 gardens, and the Council's own licensing policy
the Licensing Sub-Committee is asked to note the contents of the report and determine the application, the options for determining the application, as set out in section 4.
the Licensing Act 2003 provides that the sale or supply of alcohol on and off the premises Nobel licensable activities must be authorised by a premises, licence or premises licence holder must comply with the four licensing objectives, the prevention of crime and disorder, public safety, the prevention of public nuisance and the protection of children from harm.
kettles bars held its current licence with post and high district council since the 5th February 2024, there have been previous licenses that the premises, but not for many years, and application, was received last year for a premises licence for the area included in the variation this was rejected at a hearing and then 1,000 s of determination could be seen Appendix 1
the current licence guarantees was first supply of alcohol on and off sales Monday to Sunday, 1,100 hours to 23 30 and opening hours Monday to Sunday, 11 100 hours to midnight, the current premises licence can be seen at appendix 2, the Council licence covers the ground floor area
and the application. On the 19th of May 2024, The Grand Hotel folks, in limited, submitted an application to vary the premises licence. This variation will be to grant a licence activities in the palm court huge room and principal state rooms. Additional provisions of licensable activities include, plays Monday to Sunday, 1,100 hours to 20 200 hours films, Monday to Sunday, 1,100 hours to 22 30 live music, Monday to Sunday, 1,100 hours to 22 100 recorded music, Monday to Saturday 1,100 hours to 23 30 on Sundays, 1,100 to 2,200 performance of towns, Monday to Saturday 1,100 to 23 30 and Sunday 1,100 to 2,200, and anything of a similar description within live or recorded music performance of dance Monday to Saturday 1,100 to 23 30 Sunday, 11 100 hours to 20 200 Late night, refreshment, Monday to Sunday, 2,300 hours to midnight and supply of alcohol on and off sales, Monday to Sunday, 1,100 hours to 23 30 on the premises opening hours, Monday to Sunday 1,100 hours to midnight
the application to vary the premises licence could be seen at Appendix 3 and the additional area to be licence, which can be seen at Appendix floor.
the hearing is being required by the Licensing Act 2003, because valid representations were received from three members of the public in a responsible authority nice representations can be found at Appendix 5.
the Licensing Sub-Committee has the following options to grow the application to vary the licence to grant the application with amendments at conditions to the licence that are relevant to the variation or reject the whole or part of the application the committee is asked to note that it may not add conditions or amendment licence mainly because it considers it desirable to do so, the Committee must only consider evidence that relates to the four licensing objectives.
any conditions added must promote the licensing objectives. Thank you.
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:07:29
thank you, John, do you have any speakers on us and if you could introduce yourself as we speak, Bobby?
thank you for.
Microphone A - 0:07:37
result good morning, everybody, thank you, Councillors for them sub-committee to the time to review this application.
my name is pure conduit, and I've been a licensee in Westminster for 40 years or so been involved in the hospitality, trade up and
in reviewing this application, I'd like to take a broader context, which I may and just to outline my thoughts on on the subject of the grant, in particular.
and where we are at present, as you no doubt know, the grant has had a chequered history both in terms of our it's passed, it's passed, freeholders and I'm sure the two I don't need to go into that in greater detail because most people are aware but the outcome, essentially it is only the ground is that it's a building which has been neglected and has some serious issues in terms of the repairs and maintenance.
and
then they need to be resolved in one form or another, so just to bring myself back into the grand picture, I acquired an apartment there at the back end of 22 and did some conversions because I love the building, I think it's an extraordinary building and so beautiful a gorgeous Juve other of a building and sitting infection on the Leeds as you know.
but it is unloved and it needs some serious attention, so having both departments and
because I loved it. I also turn my attention to the very high service charges which are essentially part and parcel, which I was aware of when I bought into it, but I was wondering if that I'm a solutions kind of person I was wondering if there was any solution to try and alleviate and make the residents Burton and the leaseholders Burton is much less than they currently, I hate to say this, but the current service charge arranged between 8 and 10,000 pounds per unit, Mrs quite quite unacceptable on a long-term basis. Moreover, I think that's prone for us to repair the building.
would to take millions, and that means that Section 20s would be coming down the road for the leaseholders, who some of them really cannot afford to be even living there now, because of the conditions at the the parlous conditions of the finances have country, so to get back to my my involvement I I became interested in in this whole project and trying to find a solution and I was asked to join the Board and which I did and I suddenly
I decided that I really wanted to see if there was a solution and it seemed to me obvious that is anew spaces, commercial spaces on the lower ground floor and in principle floor was essentially a possibility.
getting out of the financial quagmire that the Grand a spacing.
what's more, the previous freeholder for all his faults had managed and was granted a life as a planning application which allowed for the conversion of the lower ground-floor into new units for holiday lets, so I looked at that and have looked at the possibilities of reviving that planning is live as I understand it, this is my my my I've had that confirmed from the licence at the planning department.
so I've exercise my mind to try to see whether this plan could be revived and we have put together in the last six months or so a plan which has gone from many financial iterations but has looked at.
all the possibilities and permutations of that and we can we come up with a plan which I think is viable and will give the long term future of the ground into as the primordial function of this plan, to make sure that we can live into the 21st century thriving and and moving forward.
so.
and I refer a little bit to my notes because I've public will ramble Elizabeth, otherwise you'll excuse me about that.
the solution.
in essence, what will be reversing the grand back to its original purpose, which is a hotel by converting the lower ground floor, wanted his holiday, let units nice holiday, let units were going to sell on the open market for people to invest in its an investment opportunity but this will allow us to raise the capital but absolutely needed capital for us to repair the building as well as redevelop the units that we were talking about in which were selling reopened the Palm Court refurbished as part of the statement and genuinely bring back the building intuits.
the crowning glory, then it should be and back to its.
it's its original intent and and I think that are the reason for this long, winded and somewhat drawn out at preamble, for the for an application for the licence is ready to understand, make you are make you aware that this is the Licensing and the granting of this licence at the very important link in this chain of events that we will need to happen to make sure that the investors who will be buying into these holiday let units are are fully cognisant of the fact that we have all the regulatory licences in place to do what we say we're going to do, which is create a unit revived, the Palm Court host events in in the state in this stage will enter statements forums
so.
I don't see what else.
and ensure that term part and parcel of this risk across the the initial part of it was soon capital. So we apply to kettles licence as a marker in the sand to show the community, the restaurants, the leaseholders and everybody concerned that there was new energy about the grant, and this was the first possible so we've reopened. Capital says about last year earlier this year and it is now business which is up and running and serving the community as well as its residents, so onward to the plan, the plan being to revive these holiday, let units sent to move forward. We spent quite a lot of time putting the financial package together and we are ready to go now. The illegals have been prepared so that we're ready to issue contracts. So once we have invested on board and the only thing that held us up a little bit with the election, which of course made us people this bit uncertain about, and it's not a good time to launch such a major project, is this in terms of investment and attracting them
so Campbell got reopened and that seems to be doing well, and we are doing quite well and.
the important part that I had to to do is I, especially in the knowledge that the previous application had not been granted, was to ensure that the residents and leaseholders were consulted about my news, which we've done, we've spent quite a lot of time managing, making sure the resident and it's especially the residents who are directly affected which the because they would be appropriate Principal floor especially those free for tenants or leaseholders were consulted and rediscovered equivalent and we formulated along with the Residents' Association a modus operandi of how we will be operating in the future.
and we've contained it to make sure that the residents and leaseholders are happy with the way that we will be operation, because we don't want to be, you know, music and dancing until to make midnight every night I will be obviously a.
too much opprobrium from the rest of the of the leaseholders and not a fit for purpose event in any event, so we've taken some time and I think that's a representations have been made to the Council of a modus operandi which we will be in a have signed as, but on behalf of the Grand Hotel.
spokesman, as well as the Residents' Association fervency that across consultation has gone on with
the residents association, especially the second floor, you are the people that I've just mentioned the licensing department, sorry, I need to thank the of course have been very helpful in my our presentation of this application at this moment, thank you and finally, of course with the Fire Department which are invited to come on and visitors to make sure that we had everything in place, I know that they have some concerns but I'm sure that we will be able to address them.
and, of course, I've got the board sanction of the plan, as well as the agreement, the residents and the leaseholder were also consulted about the plan and David.
agreed to go forward. Essentially, I think that what we have going back to the client is the future of the ground at stake and, more importantly, that's one thing I forgot to mention, which is really important, is because of the previous freehold and no longer being the freeholder, and we will pass on the details of that. The important thing to notice is that the leaseholders are also shareholders in the freehold. This plan would be impossible if it was a commercial landlord who wanted to create profit for himself, that profit motive has been removed, so we have the ability to raise the capital and be converted repair the ground and to reopen the Palm Court and the statements for its original intended purpose. It's a very big, ambitious plan, but I think that I am well-placed to do this, because this is what I've been doing for 40 years in London, I've taken building, created restaurants created in clubs, hotels units
the last 40 years in the West End of London and you, certainly after 2015, which I fortuitously exited just prior to Brexit.
and then watched the Brexit and pandemic ruin the hospitality industry and I thought it was a sign from the gods that I should never go back and thank you Mr can't do that I can I ask you to wind up yes certainly, but I think I'll wind up by so sort of quickly saying that this is the only plan with your work for the future and the link the licence granting the permission is part of that.
enabling process to get that, so thank you for that.
yeah, I have just one simple questions I can't in the pack.
there are noise impact settlement in down on your building, no knock-knock currently, but of course we have been discussed in discussion with residents is specifically about and we discuss them, part and parcel of our works will be to do a noise survey as well as seeing if there's some abatements if we could make whilst we during the construction works.
I, I understand what you're saying, Councillor Nicola Kane, but what I'm saying is that we've now taken immense steps to make sure residents ending in the ones who are directly affecting our parks and in Iranian agreement and endorse the plan. Furthermore, we will endeavour and make sure that we noise abatement is something that will take carry out Pride, you know we will be racing lots of money by this planned works who intended to work which will give us no funds to be able to look at noise abatement and acoustics arrangement to make sure that these are.
at that point we will, of course, provide the the further noise.
report that you, you're seeking
thank you very much, and I'm well aware of the history of the grant and Sean I'm very happy actually that we can possibly see a future, however, I'm I've got to echo what Councillor keener sense as part of the application I would have expected to see a noise impact statement.
and also because this is a residential building, mainly even though the ground floor might be going back to commercial, where for quite a while Mary hasn't been used.
I note that the fire brigade have actually raised some issues on this regarding evacuation plans.
and assessments throughout, and it would appear, according to the fire brigade that they haven't been given, maybe some of the information.
sorry said, but I would have thought that evacuation plans etc as part of your application would have been absolutely vital, would you like to come back on the absolutely thank you for that Councillor and I had a fire risk assessment done for the which I presented widely application, I felt that was a plan, our own assessment which covered most of the Angel.
subsequently, having spoken to the fire department, I asked them to come in so that we could discuss all of the issues and I am fully on board. Making sure that what we have in place when we have it in place is to the satisfaction of the fire department. Safety is primordial security is primordial and we intend to adhere to all of those figures that are in in in asked for by the planning department. That's entirely rational and logical thing for us to do. But the point I am saying is that we are with our application is important parts of a revitalisation of the grant, and that's why we're not intending to use that licensing an immediate sense, and I'm very happy for it to be granted subject to the fire department, pretty use, subject to the Fire Department being satisfied, I think that that was entirely reasonable.
personally, I would have liked to have seen at least evacuation things being put into place with an application I also note, as you say that you've been speaking to the residents because obviously it's the second year or what I would call possibly the first of all,
I note that will be mainly affected by this and obviously when they bought in to the ground they weren't expecting wedding parties etc to be happening and as you cite its an Edwardian building, I'm not sure that the sound insulation is quite up to Morgan take a standards I'd I note there are several conditions that Residents' Association were actually asked for would you be able to run through?
some of these and tell me what you're actually looking to put into place, to make sure that the residents would be happy where which signed a memorandum with the residents Association, outlining exactly how we will be operating the the hours of limitations, they are the the feedback that we will be able to ascertain from them if there is any issues and a management plan which will take careful well.
I'll take care of any issues that are arising from the operation, but essentially I think that the residents support into the scheme unless I missed.
the majority of the residents have brought into the scheme because it is the way forward for the future of the grant to save the ground, and I think that this is part and parcel of my representation to you now is what we're trying to do is to save the grant and help.
help residents, who have, unfortunately, can no longer afford to be there to continue to be there, and I think that's an important part of my application, although not directly relating to the to the licence application, as I say, it's a link into the future as far as the Fire Department is concerned, I absolutely concur which we should be in a position to have
an evacuation plan which they are satisfied with and and all of the power requirements that are restrictions with, and I was under the impression that, as the ground was already in operation with events as such, that the evacuation plan was was robust.
we've had conversations, and I think that we will certainly needs further work and I'm happy to undertake those works and those remedial things that we will need to do to make sure that the the the the premises are operation is secure and I'm happy to covenant that we wouldn't be using the space until those those positions are cleared up with the fire department.
can I suggest them, until all of these things are dealt with, the noise?
excitement and all of the requirements of the Fire Service to make the data insight that this is a journey, thank you come back to this without both questions, because the last thing I would like to see happen to the building isn't great clouds, but I would also height
the management and patterns there because we hadn't done all chocolate eggs, so I would like the this to be put off adjourned until all of those requirements and dealt with place. Can I just ask Council name before we discuss the a German 37 wanted to come in on a couple of other assurance unclear which we will feed into your response and I matters that she was the noise from licensable activities. That's my fellow Councillors have already discussed. The other thinking that comes to mind is the open-endedness of this variation. It seems
the frequency of events seems very.
open the I for what you say there won't be events going on all day every day, but the licence we've seen that there's been asked the variation on the licence that's been requested seems to be asking for that kind of openness and the other thing that we haven't discussed yet as the access to the residential areas within the Grand, so I think we have a problem with that licensing objective from
not possible no, if we're trying to promote the licensing objective of crime and disorder.
and and lastly, the overall impact on on residents, I note in their letter.
from the Grand Residents' Association, and I was a bit confused about this, as I read, it just says that this has been discussed and agreed in principle with the applicant will there are 14 safeguard there, so have all those being discussed and agreed at the to sorry Dr that memorandum what good that's that's great but yeah him for me it falls at the first hurdle or public safety with the with the fire Fire and Rescue's report as a as a Councillor, I couldn't conscience approving something, not reply that the Kent Fire and Rescue Services is advising against, so it just goes against everything.
we're not promoting the licensing objective of public safety three, if we do that you could I could I just say that?
I concur with you, I absolutely agree, and I reiterated what we would be happy to abolish the licence granted, so that I can move forward with the important part of the plan, which is to be visualised, with the proviso that we will not use the space into Kent and for out-of-hours services are entirely happy with what we do with the remedial works that they feel it is insistent on rescuing, I wouldn't want to either.
I totally take on board, but from all viewpoints, the future of the ground, unfortunately, is not a planning or licensing issue, we don't want to stop the future of the ground that when the fire brigade recruiting an objection, saying we have not received these and would expect it as part of the application it makes it almost impossible horse so I would possibly suggest,
that we look at differing, you go away and get your evacuation plans. I think it would be quite nice, because we had to ask the question and the conditions and that the residents have agreed to, but we've got nothing that actually really says that they've agreed to those because we're looking at the noise. Obviously we're looking at the security of the public using areas, but also a nuisance to the existing residents. I think you've come back on the pill and little bit early, I think you've just got a little bit more paperwork to do and plans to put into place
sorry, I personally would suggest that you agree to a deferment, get that paperwork together, bring it back to us.
so that we can actually, hopefully too convenient boxes to abolish, and I thank you for your time and I absolutely cannot your. I understand where you're coming. Crime and security and safety is of course primordial. We've already commissioned the risk assessments to be redone because of the ones that we had already plan provided was wasn't up to scratch and for the fire department. I accept that and a new plan is, and a new Risk Assessment which shall embraced both residents and the commercial pop is being put together at that point and we will go back to campfire and discuss it with him to see what else
thank you, do we have any other speakers, I think Kent Fire and Rescue would like to speak.
I think it would be helpful if we gave a little bit more information
Microphone B - 0:28:46
now, so moving forwards, you're you're prepared and outline at where concerns were, and it was an unusual application for us, with the variation side of that normal variation as a small area, possibly an extension or change of licensing hours, but this covers a different floor, covers three different management signs of the building. We've got the residential or non-residential communal areas which are managed by different organisation, different responsibilities, et cetera, we've had huge amounts of involvement with the building already, but dealing with it on a residential basis, making sure, at St on the residential side we haven't begun to come to look at the commercial side SE completely different aspects of how we look at fire safety. The risk of a commercial impacting on a residential building is
food. It's a lot to look at the main things we need to occur in in terms of fire safety. There are that there was an separate for 5 declaration in parts of the building, so any incidents Maclin areas is not going to impact on residential areas. At present, the buildings got a simultaneous evacuation Policy, which is because of the rest of the building, because its old
we can't do it any other way, however, we've got issues with that when we, when we were at the buildings, the alarm had been disabled, the we did have the alarm showing that there was a fire in the building at the time we weren't able to ascertain how long that been showing wide, the alarm Panel has been disabled. If there was a fire which resulted in us having to call out the crowds, we had to have over 9 9 9 call to get close to come out of the building at that time, so we've got grave concerns over the safety of the building and how it's been managed is working with us on Apple. We've got a long way to go with those issues, so safety for building. At the moment there is very little separation between commercial, apart from the resident to undertake crosses over these areas, which is something that we will have to look at that in great detail.
and the evacuation routes from the residential lead through the commercial part, sci-fi and the Palm Court that she heartland.
showed surgical under on the ICSs as we come out to the main entrance where people were evacuating, we have has the alarm NTA's come out, look at the alarm problems with the allowance because of that.
stats the building at the moment meeting, etc we've got fire, detectors have been deactivated and not setting alarms off when they should face. We had to have our evacuation drill, solicitors, an awful lot going on, so we've got we've got a long way to go to fire risk assessment didn't assess the building considering the front and risk their it's. Our highest risk was building when we're looking at floating risks and because of the residents that are there, someone from clients accelerates the information they've got on, how to how those people will be siphoned off in a fire was still haven't got
Stephen Philips when we are concerned
I therefore propose that this is agenda and all of the schemes there is a lot of work that needs doing.
I'm not prepared to do anything today and then the good name of this Council on the line.
because Folkestone district is important may like cackles, and the hotel is important th therefore, can I ask that we are journeys until such time as all of the requirements from the Fire Service and Matt there has been a noise impact statement done.
and then we move forward from there, it's too much of a risk at the present time.
Microphone A - 0:32:23
sorry, really a noise abatement, I drove undue noise report once we've done all the works which will, in terms of the refurbishment present that will be a sound report, shall sorry I mean as.
a sound report in the sense that it will then truly reflect what we have done, whereas if we gave you a report now that wouldn't that wouldn't reflect what we are about to do that at that time and just want to make sure that those very happy that the building site and met you know there's not gonna be a major disaster and the length,
would want that either.
Cllr Nicola Keen - 0:32:57
Microphone B - 0:33:01
sorry just come back to that delay. I note your I understand or idea of having a licence agreed now I'm ready to do informs, but it's just not the way it works is definitely in terms of our form, consulted recent way. Say yes, we're happy with with this building, we believe is to say we can't possibly say yes, we think it might be safe in the future. All these things are met that we agree the licence at the point where it is safe and we've got all that information, the Council on advance. We compensate that. Could we possibly in future right? I understand that Karen and I appreciate what you're saying. I was hoping that you had this particularly for, and we could agree between us that the grant granting of the licence would be agreed, subject to your your department being being satisfied, because from my point of view and you understand why the bigger picture of what I'm trying to do
it will, it may well delay what we're trying to do and some of the residents County Court and today Franklin.
public safety has to come first, and I don't think we can we can do anything on that on on the say, so of what what is or isn't going to happen, you have to have the facts before us.
Microphone A - 0:34:03
as that's speaking points out distance as our responsibility of Councillors, three recently cannot be seen to not to take note of such a serious report from incontinent father's Fire and Rescue.
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:34:15
I have a question of officers because I notice our Ops, our options don't seem to include the ability to a journal differ, sounds it's gonna take your advice on how we best managing this,
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:34:50
thank you thanks to have a deferral for cycle 10 minutes yeah, thank you.

5 Application to Vary the Premises Licence in respect of: Keppel's Bar, The Grand, The Leas, CT20 2LR

thank you for your patients, everybody much appreciated, so we're not
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:35:15
going to adjourn today, we're going to make a decision based on what we're hearing today.
but for that to happen, I need to make sure I've heard everybody speak, who wants to speak, so do we have any additional speakers, please, if you could just introduce yourself before you start, thank you, yes, hello, my name is pressure on urgent O'Brien on 1 August.
Microphone D - 0:35:36
Microphone D - 0:35:46
can you hear me now, thank you, so my name is to alternative, I'm one of the signatories of the submission that you haven't had cracked, but I'm also wearing kind of two other hats, if you like, and I will be as brief as I can possibly be.
so I speak first of all as or a member of the Residents' Committee, secondly, as a first floor residents living right above the board, and some of you have heard them before, and I remember Councillor Blackmore from last year, and my third head is I'm a director of a newly formed CEC which hopefully will be holding events and operating out of these commercial spaces wants the licence has been granted.
so first of all, thank you very much for all your very constructive remarks earlier today, and I think you really have kind of the good of the grant, one of its residents at heart, so thank you very much for that
so what I would like to do is first of all support the application in general, however, with the conditions that we have listed, and I think that maybe it could be granted with a number of conditions included, and that would be kind of my suggestion today to include the conditions.
listed by the residents, but also to include the conditions that new raised today and grant the licence under all those conditions and put a deadline on those, for example.
in our document was suggested that the sound assessment would be done before December this year, and maybe if you could could deadlines on meeting all the conditions that you have expressed, may be, that would actually work because, of course,
I have.
I remember very well the or incidents last year when the licence was granted, but then activities when they had any way using tens, and so I'm sure you realise that there could still be the case and we wouldn't really want them the the premises to be completely closed that they're not used at all but at the same time we would like to have limitations and conditions put on those activities, so I just hope that you can consider those thank you very much.
thank you, do we have any other speakers?
here today.
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:38:18
now are can I suggest we, we have another five minute conversation, I remember back, thank you.

5 Application to Vary the Premises Licence in respect of: Keppel's Bar, The Grand, The Leas, CT20 2LR

right thank you once again for your patients second ODI, I would like
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:38:40
to propose that we do reject this application, do I have a proposal?
and the secondary sector, or those in favour.
thank you for your time, everybody.
sorry do have a little bit more information and should have given you,
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:39:07
there will be confirmed in detail within within five days, but just ensured that the main issue for process or at the licensable objective of them promoting public safety is not been promoted.
but, as I say, that details will follow within five days and the detailed report, thank you.
Microphone A - 0:39:43
sorry now come to item 6 exclusion of the public, may I have a
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:41:59
proposal forms.

6 Exclusion of the Public

and is certainly all those in favour.
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