Planning and Licensing Committee - Tuesday 16 January 2024, 7:00pm - Start video at 0:04:56 - Folkestone & Hythe webcasting
Planning and Licensing Committee
Tuesday, 16th January 2024 at 7:00pm
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- Appeal monitoring 2020_2023 FINAL
- Appeals Report Appendix A 87 Coast Drive LDC
- Appeals report Appendix A 87 Coast Drive PP
- Appeals Report Appendix B Dymchurch Garage
- Appeals Report Appendix C McDonalds Costs
- Appeals report Appendix C McDonalds decision
- Appeals Report Appendix D Clifton Crescent
- Appeals Report Appendix E Old Romney dismissed
- Lobbying Form
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:00:02
the Planning and Licensing Committee, this meeting will be webcast live to the internet. For those who do not wish to be recorded or films, you will need to leave the Chamber for members officers and others speaking at the meeting. It is important that the microphones are used, so viewers on the webcast and others in the room. I hear you with anyone with a mobile phone, please switch it to silent mode as they can be distracting1 Apologies for Absence
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:01:28
thank you, and do we have any declarations of interest this evening, I'm looking around and they don't seem to be any.2 Declarations of Interest
3 Minutes
4 Minutes of the Licensing Sub-Committee
5 23/1096/FH - Land Adjoining Karibu, Coombe Wood Lane, Hawkinge, ct18 7BZ
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:02:33
Mr Robert Allan - 0:02:39
every day, from a voice.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:03:06
thank you very much and we have no speakers on this this evening, so I will sort it out to the Chamber with any Councillor like to ask a question or raise an issue so Councillor Thomas.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:03:22
yeah, thank you, Chair, could I just ask that this application meetsCllr Paul Thomas - 0:03:28
policy HB 10, the development of residential gardens.Mr Robert Allan - 0:03:50
the general populace. Yes, we do consider it meets that and if I may,Cllr Paul Thomas - 0:03:55
so, 14 residents contacted no objections. One letter of support I'd like to propose chair that we accept the officer's recommendations for approval. Thank you. Thank you, I'm sorry, Councillor Kinga in a second. First of all, would any other Councillor like to ask anyCllr Jackie Meade - 0:04:12
questions or raise anything first? Councillor HinesBuyCllr Jennifer Hollingsbee - 0:04:24
anybody else, no, in that case we have one proposal in front of us,Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:04:32
and that is to accept the officers recommendation, all those in favour, please raise your hand.6 23/1554/FH - 29 Lancaster Drive, Hawkinge, Folkestone, CT18 7SW
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:04:56
so will now move on to the next one, which is 23 dash 1 5 5 4 dash f h.Mr Robert Allan - 0:05:15
thank you Chair, yes, subsequent to the preparation of the report, and we didn't make the supplementary sheets received an additional letter of objection, stating that the buffer strips are required to be maintained for 10 years, by condition that the banks to drive west limited companies liable for the maintenance of these areas.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:06:08
thank you, and again we have no speakers on this this evening, so I fly out to the Chamber, would anyone like to ask a question or raise anything, Councillor Goddard, thank you, Chairman, I'll just shed some more following colleagues Malloy it's slot last week and we have theseCllr Clive Goddard - 0:06:21
first question empty properties are in Lancaster DriveMr Robert Allan - 0:06:33
possibly around 30, but I I wouldn't like to be held to that.Cllr Clive Goddard - 0:06:42
say or just just to say, if, if we're liable to, because we are too last time we got to this month.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:07:08
Cllr Jennifer Hollingsbee - 0:07:12
thank you having to second and again I think, in my view, it will be maintained by those residential properties, probably better than it has been in the past, and I think it's a sensible thing are going to do and I'm happy to go along with the proposal.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:07:31
actually I think I have some sympathy with the neighbours, theseCllr Mike Blakemore - 0:07:38
buffer strips were created to provide a buffer between the homes and the rural area, then being subsumed into a garden is not the same thing, and the question of how well the people maintain those gardens is neither here nor there suddenly becoming part of a garden something that is becoming part of a garden, it's no longer that buffer strip between the rural area and the development so I have a lot of sympathy with those that have objected.Cllr Belinda Walker - 0:08:18
I am not sure that the answer of the the buffers, having been retained for 10 years, being owned by the same company, have been fully addressed. I put a lot of sympathy with the neighbours, the fact it's been done a couple of times, I think that was a mistake last time and as Councillor Hollingsworth said that Rob Councillor Goddard said, this will come back again next time, the time of was more and more neighbours tried to encroach on onto that. I think it's a great shame that this has gone through previouslyCllr Jackie Meade - 0:08:53
the original planning permission.Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:08:57
Mr Robert Allan - 0:09:13
that's, and that's not correct now I mean it was separation, was on the map at least.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:09:54
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:09:55
Councillor Sheard, thank you there, I note the proposed condition that there's not to be any building on the the land and does that include that cover hard odd, covering hardstanding at all. tattooing,Mr Robert Allan - 0:10:14
you know, as seek a condition that they will impose a condition, that there would be no no further hardstanding, I don't think that would be unreasonable if, if the reasons for that work could be clarified.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:10:32
thank you, Councillor, Sheard I totally agree, my understanding was that part of the conditions of them subsuming these areas into their garden is that there would be no erection of things along the lines of garden sheds, home offices or indeed hardstandings, and can the Officer please confirm that because I thought that was part of the conditions.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:11:27
whilst the officers are looking at outside that we don't have just complete silence, I just wanted to let you know that I've been speaking to Llewellin and the officers and we're actually putting in some extra information for you.Mr Robert Allan - 0:11:57
on the condition that is imposed, PA f does actually remove rights from laying hardstanding, so that is actually covered by the condition is on their apologies that I fail to recall that.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:12:13
Cllr Nicola Keen - 0:12:15
can I ask, how are we going to police that, though we're going to have some are walking up and down that area because they told him?Microphone A - 0:12:36
thank you, Chairman J A cheque, good evening members, women, in terms of policing, planning conditions, no, no local authority in the country has the resources to proactively police all planning conditions are imposed, and I think that's reflected in the the Planning Acts in in terms of time periods for enforcement and I understand that they have either recently or will shortly if that extended such that development will not become lawful until a period of 10 years has passed, so what we would expect we would expect people to comply with their planning conditions is as reasonable, sensible members of society where they don't we would expectCllr Jackie Meade - 0:13:40
no, so we have one proposal on the table at the moment, and that is to accept the officers recommendation, all those in favour, please raise your hand.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:13:59
any abstentions.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:14:05
no.Mrs Sue Lewis - 0:14:10
for six against five, thank you, so that is carried, thank you7 23/1526/FH - 31 Lancaster Drive, Hawkinge, Folkestone, CT18 7SW
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:14:15
Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:14:23
and we move on to the next one, which is literally next door.Cllr Jennifer Hollingsbee - 0:14:47
Surrey Council has been asked if there were any updates, I apologise,Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:14:53
Mr Robert Allan - 0:14:55
but we just didn't leap in there, it is there's the same letter was submitted on this application as was submitted on the previous one as well, which covered the fact that they felt that the buffer strips would require to be maintained thanks to Drive West Ltd is liable for maintenance in these areas, and that the Council has failed to take enforcement action previously.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:15:16
thank you, and Councillor Hornsby has proposed, do we have a seconder, Councillor Goddard, would anyone else like to raise any issues on this?Cllr Paul Thomas - 0:15:27
yeah, thank you Chair, just picking up on Councillor Goddard's points about how do we deal with these things in the future as we're likely to get a few more from here?Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:16:12
backing buffer zone actually holds a drainage area, so they would actually be in a very different situation than the gardens that do not have the drainage area, I'm just wondering that for those gardens that don't have the buffer zone that encroaches on the drainage area should we go to delegation from officers because,Microphone A - 0:16:54
certainly explore it between this meeting in the next one if, if the committees minded to to agree to something along those lines, but I I'd be.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:17:35
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:17:42
unfortunately, we can't answer that question because we don't knowCllr Jackie Meade - 0:18:08
what neighbours will do, and this evening we're talking about this particular application, so we can't think of what might happen.Cllr Jennifer Hollingsbee - 0:18:31
remember that if the Town Council Hawkinge Town Council in this case, makes comments or is against the application and the recommendation from officers here is for approval, then it should automatically come to this committee, so I think it would be difficult to delegate.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:18:53
we have.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:19:14
any abstentions.Mrs Sue Lewis - 0:19:25
so that has passed, thank you very much now, that's all theCllr Jackie Meade - 0:19:28
applications were going through this evening, so that was quite a quick meeting, however we're very lucky that.8 Appeals Monitoring Report January 2020 to December 2023
Microphone A - 0:19:57
well, thank you Chair, I mean the report released for for information for Members there a number of appendices attached, and I apologise OK, it got jumbled up not terribly clearly labelled, but on I'm happy to answer any any questions. I think I've tried in choosing these notable decisions to take him abroad, cross section of the appeals that we've received in the past three years, the type of appeal, the type of development and the type of decision that we've received. So there are a couple of enforcement appeals. There's a public inquiry relating to an enforcement notice, as if a Gypsy and Traveller appeal, whereCllr Jackie Meade - 0:21:44
Cllr Clive Goddard - 0:21:48
but just a well done here sexually, and it's good to say obviously Mr Baillie's team pull it together rather than the Councillor, because you did say a Councillor.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:22:37
Cllr Belinda Walker - 0:22:38
we just wanted to echo that sound, especially as some are new beyond the Planning Committee, it's been extremely useful to look through this and to see what happens behind the scenes as the worst, so thanks, very much putting that together.Cllr Paul Thomas - 0:22:51
thank you Chair, if I could ask just on on 87 Coast Drive, that's been kicking round because we know for for a little while.Microphone A - 0:23:20
sites, I'm happy to have a discussion out outside of a meeting, particularly where it involves a live enforcement case rather than rather than doing a public forum where you know the the current occupiers on hearing the neighbours who say I think it would be worthwhile having a chat once the meetings concluded.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:23:44
yeah yeah, thank you Chairman well, of course I suppose it was COVIDCllr Jennifer Hollingsbee - 0:23:49
that really stopped us having these reports because we used to have these regularly one of the things I feel perhaps is missing on here, but maybe if we're doing it monthly it doesn't matter is actually saying the number of appeals received within that period is the period of time whatever that might be, how many were against officers how many were taken against officers' recommendations?Cllr Paul Thomas - 0:24:58
really, I think it's important for us as a committee to be a learning organisation as well as it is so for us to understand what has been approved and why and those things that haven't, and why I think that's really that really help us in decision making going forward as well, where we can have the discussions outside of here as as we've already said, but I think that's actually vital for us to be to to be a learning organisation thank you very much.Cllr Jackie Meade - 0:25:29
another thing that is really useful is to say that we're not actually stepping out of the boundaries of what other planning committees around the country are doing, so we know that we are going down the same path.- Declarations of Interest, opens in new tab
- Minutes , 12/12/2023 Planning and Licensing Committee, opens in new tab
- Final Minutes, opens in new tab
- 23.1096 - land adj karibu FINAL, opens in new tab
- 23-1096-FH, opens in new tab
- 23.1554 - 29 lancaster drive FINAL, opens in new tab
- 23-1554-FH, opens in new tab
- 23.1526 - 31 lancaster drive FINAL, opens in new tab
- 23-1526-FH, opens in new tab
- Appeal monitoring 2020_2023 FINAL, opens in new tab
- Appeals Report Appendix A 87 Coast Drive LDC, opens in new tab
- Appeals report Appendix A 87 Coast Drive PP, opens in new tab
- Appeals Report Appendix B Dymchurch Garage, opens in new tab
- Appeals Report Appendix C McDonalds Costs, opens in new tab
- Appeals report Appendix C McDonalds decision, opens in new tab
- Appeals Report Appendix D Clifton Crescent, opens in new tab
- Appeals Report Appendix E Old Romney dismissed, opens in new tab
- Lobbying Form, opens in new tab