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Cllr Jim Martin - 0:00:01
well, good evening and welcome to the meeting of the cabinet, this meeting will be webcast live to the internet, for those who do not wish to be recorded or filmed, you need to leave the Chamber.
the members officers and others speaking at the meeting, it is important that the microphones are used, so viewers on the webcast and others in the room, my here again, would anyone with a mobile phone police switched to silent mode as I can be distracting, I would like to remind Members that although we all have strong opinions on matters under consideration,
it is important to treat members officers and public sprinklers with respect, so good evening everyone can we kick off with apologies for absence of great name, we've just had apologies from Councillor.
Miss Ellen Joyce - 0:00:52
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:00:56
OK John good and item 2 declarations of interest, there are there any declarations of interest.
I haven't seen okay, John Goodman, declarations of interest Item 3 is minutes to consider and approve as a correct record, the minutes of the meeting held on the 17th of July, any issues with the minutes and things 200 covers.
Cllr Tim Prater - 0:01:27
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:01:27
I am happy to second those in Khyber patient.
thank you very much, just sewn together.
thank you very much, members, so moving on then to item 4.
regulation of investigatory powers, act 2000
which is covered in pages 13 to 54, this report sets out the Council's policy to use the abuse of direct surveillance and covert human intelligence sources under the regeneration under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, and our are not speaking to this item, Sir.
I assume that Councillor practice no.
or is it is it Councillor fora?
Cllr Gary Fuller - 0:02:40
I say I couldn't kind of the Chair, that's what it was yeah, so I mean that's the purpose of the report, it basically recommends that we note it with note the policy which hasn't fundamentally changed or indeed changed at all.
and is proof for full Council the policy, and so on, outlines what direct surveillance is.
covert human intelligence sources are,
and when we reduce them
we haven't used them, I think this is one of the 120 13 asked is not right that we can use either at the powers that are available to us.
and also we were inspected last year, on 29th of August, at that Sir Ivor in Uruguay, and we were fully compliant, so I basically it's carrying on as we are doing more.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:03:36
thank you very much, Councillor Paula, does anyone have any deep and penetrating questions for Councillor Fuller on on this?
and
sorry, I don't.
I think it's a very good report, sorry, I'm I'm very happy to, if there are no comments or points the right, I'm very happy to propose I Councillor bowler seconds all I can tell you that please in Kenya, thank you very much.
item 5 is investigations and fraud overview.
2023 24 touches 54 to 62, this report gives an overview of the work of functional District Council investigations unit 40 year 23 24, covering housing benefit Council, Tax, Non domestic rates and housing, and whose Councillor price is going to introduce this one. Thank you very much, Councillor Carter,
thank you, this is one of the six reports today with my name on it, I
Cllr Tim Prater - 0:04:37
apologise, that wasn't my door.
the detail of the reports in front of me on a lot when I read this one or any others to view for, but this is the report on the ongoing work, the annual work which is being done on a day-to-day basis within the council, tax benefits from operatic, looking to make sure that the people that we are giving money and support to all the people who should be getting money and support to to.
in the district, so that you can focus the resources that we have on the people who are genuinely.
I genuinely are claiming it on the basis that the details of their in front of me, I'd just like to thank the team for their work on this it.
it's not a fun job looking at people's circumstances and making sure that their claim on the right basis, but it is an absolutely required will if there are any questions in detail and absolutely happy to duck them in the past and 100 who can and we access all will back to them are much better than I can, but I'm very happy to meet
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:05:48
thank you very much, Councillor, prior to our what are awarded the the uncommon out got, I mean, I was reminded that some of the numbers in this, and I would draw everyone's attention to the infographic on page 59, which really does.
hopefully reassure people that you know us, and many other Councils are doing our utmost to prevent this kind of for which which which is is full for everyone.
so happy to take any comments or or other points
OK, John, good happy to second the report, and so if there are no other comments we have a proposer, we have a seconder all those in favour, please indicate.
thank you very much, members moving on to Item 6, the welfare report and overview 23 at 24 163 to 78, this report gives an overview of the work and function while District Council welfare thank on welfare and compliance and Development Team for the year 23 24, covering additional support offered to residents on,
on top of Snape, I'm sorry, on top of standard Housing benefit and Council Tax reduction, support and Councillor Prater, that's easy for you to say he'd.
Cllr Tim Prater - 0:07:21
the egg again at the reports in front of me and I'm not going to do you all, then the service or reading it to heroin questions in detail again either I will try and pull off an answer to them or else we will give you the actual answer for the hat-trick say.
but I haven't gonna spend a couple of minutes on this because there is one thing that I did want to highlight because Andrew is far too modest to devote himself.
letters e-mails that accounts.
is the remarkable performance of of his welfare Revenue and benefits team and its recognition for this year as finalists in Institute of revenues rating and valuation performance, was you'll see in section 11 of the report that the team were nominated in four categories for those sector awards in 2023 and say 1 hour highly commended for excellence in staff development last year?
these are asexually than the major annual sector awards for Council revenue, and welfare and benefits teams was have 13 categories, and in 2024 perfect some Hayes, welfare, Revenue and benefits team are again nominated in four categories have been nominated for the team award for benefits and welfare reform, the Excellence award for social inclusion, the Excellence award for Innovation in Revenue and benefit administration and the Excellence award in partnership working for service delivery.
are there was themselves and on Wednesday the 9th of October and only two teams, Sexton 5 and Buckingham shire council have as many as four nominations.
I'll be following the proceedings at range and referred on far too older these days for the pace of glitzy Telford presentation, things on a school night, but I do wish the team every success in ward but most importantly, having been the Cabinet Member for this team since 2021,
I take these nominations as the clearest possible indicator. The welfare team is not just trying to do the best for residents of this District, but they are actually an exemplar in doing so national welfare support that we offer our residents, it's of course limited by budgets and it's constrained by complex and often ridiculous government schemes and legislation.
bank monthly for approximately 4, we need, as Andrew and I have reviewed every month, the number of support request, the receiving how quickly a process than the waiting list are for those number of people who were accepted, the numbers who are rejected, the amount of money that we've got into the hands of local residents because Andrew and his team share a deadly focus for ensuring that every time the funding that we get get into the hands of those Folkestone point residents for the purposes which was well giving back and paid grasp, the government or county is not an option and we spend a lot of time making sure that that does not happen.
I'm example about focuses many current, because clearly the removal of winter fuel payments for pensioners is a government decision, and it's not something that we have the option to overrule. The government needs to change its mind on that point. Really I do, but what we can do is ensure that, wherever we can, local pensioners here are entitled to are in receipt of pension credit and those in receipt of because those in receipt of pension credit will still get winter fuel payments. So the team, for example, on this, are leading on encouraging any pensioner locally who is entitled to claim to do so, including targeted contact, which is starting in the next few days with those that we think that there is evidence that they can claim but are currently not doing so
so if we can help our residents claim what they're entitled to do so, including those winter fuel payments, we will.
and I think that we should recognise the success of our team will still be able to deliver that support, not just to a standard that impresses me and it really does, but to a standard that is recognised nationally.
aspect team effort, who still have that support over the last year, it's not just Andrew, although sometimes I think, continue to be, but the whole team that do that, including Mark Linda Mary Nick Wayne Dawn Beverley, Matt Sarah Suu Kyi Mel,
Michelle Hayley, Jan deaths at John Beth answer fear and of course the Moss muscular much Ms Jane who I hope is enjoying her retirement, so just should include Andrew, I don't say this often enough to you auditing.
thank you,
and on that I move the report or thank you very much, Councillor
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:12:12
firearm, very happy to second reports, I would also like to add my grateful, thanks to Andrew and obtain and congratulations on your multi nominations.
you will have to practise a lot of acceptance speeches, no doubt so Worgans you well done to the team, I'm very happy to open to the floor for comments or points and rise.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:12:41
Councillor Brighton.
yeah, I think a lot of that's been said, I think Councillor process
Cllr Mike Blakemore - 0:12:46
that his update, much of which I wasn't aware of quite some of that work that is going on and with communities as part of my portfolio that I do get to see how valuable this work is and it's often not aware of it and they are some does have a negative view of the Council which I realised that goodwill like this goes on around the communities that I just want to add my appreciation to the team and and plans for the good work that goes on.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:13:17
if there are no other comments, we have proposed that we have a seconder all those in favour of police in the country.
thank you very much, members moving on to item 7 government planning reforms and proposed changes to the National Planning Policy Framework.
so the report summarises this government's planning reforms and proposed changes to the National Planning Policy Framework, as some significant and far-reaching reforms are proposed, particularly in relation to housing supply infrastructure, and renewable energy reforms will be introduced through the forthcoming planning and infrastructure Bill and other legislation,
I'm introducing this this item.
if we have a number of things the here, we have to receive and note the report, and we have to do no consultation responses set out in Appendix 1, which were agreed with by myself and submitted to them which Celgene by the close of the consultation which was yesterday I think,
yes, yes, there are good.
I'm Sue to grow up to broad comments on the them which sealed Jay-Z proposals that could form the basis for further submissions on the government's planning reforms, so if there are comments or changes that you wish to include, we can send in attendance, but we had to get very important deadline so sorry that's why went on we also took the precaution of central, rising the responses to all members, so everyone's had the opportunity to to make comment.
I'm not going to talk through it, it is, it is wide ranging, it is a detailed, you know that the the focus.
yeah or the one that everybody's focused on needs that are housing and numbers are, can you increase?
in terms of a deliberate and is how range of absolute detailed within our responses, I'm delighted at the Adrian a disagreed with a great deal of what we set out and then set out the reasons for not agreeing with with their statements, so I won't bore you with with any more my chat on it, I'm happy to move to report we didn't have Algerian with us so he will be able to answer any detailed questions that you had.
happy to open the floor for comment.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:16:21
Councillor for
Cllr Gary Fuller - 0:16:26
just a very brief, and I think, looking at the increase that we are likely to being expected to deliver, we got quite lack of bravery, some of the other districts it looks at the average across England is gonna be just over 20%, based on the figures that we are hearing say to have all to be expected to increase by 14%.
we're very lucky potentially again.
Councillor Sheard
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:16:59
I was just going to say I am happy to second this report, I was very pleased to read it our responses.
was particularly pleased to see that you know pointed out that increasing.
building more homes is not going to address the the the housing crisis on its own will you please see the emphasis on social rent and again our note comment that this needs to be properly funded so that we can actually make it happen and when I first read through it I was well there was the bit about you know any comments on.
how healthier Communities
could be addressed through the planning
current process. We we have, and I I don't have any particular idea of on that, but I was thought there must be something in them when I got to the above section on climate change for realise, of course, that does address no, we we've put there that we, you know the government does need bolder action on climate change and you know the the measures to address climate change due underpin and support healthier Communities. So it was really yeah really pleased to see that, and I just hope our comments are taken up because I think there
really constructive
thank you
a council Scotland.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:18:32
Cllr Stephen Scoffham - 0:18:35
there's a huge amount of work has gone into this, and I'd like to thank Adrian in particular for the work that we've done and for the consultations and the and the way in which you were briefed us. That's been very helpful. I guess that we ought to also pass on our thanks to all the members of the team who have contributed to this very extensive Netherlands. It seems to me a labyrinth of clauses and sub-clauses and uncertainties, and clearly we're steering moving ahead into a time of planning, uncertainty and huge pressures on our landscape, which I'm viewing were with caution. The conf, the conflicts that we're always trying to balance in planning decisions seem to be writ large in the agenda which is coming over the horizon, an thank you very much. I'd like to say that the responses are as robust and an extremely helpful and point out the seeds, with all the things which I would be worried about, whether we can ever reach 838 policies in your work on the land and that we can reasonable develop. It is a real worry for me and the thought that we may have to look at inverted commas, difficult sites, which is something which have had mentioned, tells me we
apprehension, so it it's an interesting moment. Thank you for the work you've been doing
Councillor Glynn,
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:20:05
just picking up on a couple of details, I was really interested to
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:20:10
read that local plan making this evening funding through planning fee, so that was that was unused to meet and it was to be covered by planning at Planning Fee income Planning, application fee income it would need to be increased by 157%, so I thought that was quite significant issues in the amount of work and resource that goes into the local plan, making. The other thing I was glad to see was the suggestion of doubling Planning application Council retrospective applications which are known as above 30 money advice on the planning committee, just an observation
Councillor hunger.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:20:50
Cllr Rich Holgate - 0:20:51
I just would echo cattle sheep sent him of nervousness service, has got the magic bullets in solving housing and whilst Victoria equals interesting councillors to discuss was going around, sort timelines and sites of the Local Plan rating talks about acquiring a lot for a call for sites questionnaire whether Asian or covered on a timeline of,
we're preparing launched roughly speaking doing away with that will take place,
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:21:18
that, we'll all I can say is that I did BT on today, in fact, so it must be pretty clubs if they get them instituted here, but I'm sure a GM will give us a much more sensible answer.
Adrian Tofts - 0:21:31
and yes, thank you, we had some problems with the IPC, which had now been resolved, and we're looking to go out to consultation in October, so within the next few weeks.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:21:45
thank you very much, members, so that if there are no further comments.
I think I am probably said Councillor should a second date.
so all of those in favour, please indicate.
thank you very much, and thank you very much Adrian, for all of your hard work in this, thank you moving on to item 8 consultation on Kent County Council's Local Transport Plan.
striking the balance and proposed District Councillor's response pages 1 1 3 2 1 4 6, this report summarises consultation by Kent County Council on the final draft of its new Local Transport Plan, striking a balance.
the report proposes a draft consultation response responses that, if approved by Cabinet, will be submitted to the County CC as the district councils in response to the consultation.
Councillor Blackburn, are you, your children?
yes.
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:22:54
the final version of the Council to the Councillor meeting in December for approval report treads the line between balancing the requirements of different transport roads at the same time as securing both carbon reduction and economic growth against the backdrop of the changed circumstances since LTP for.

8 Consultation on Kent County Council's Local Transport Plan 5 - 'Striking the Balance' and proposed district council response

such as the departure from the EU and impact of the COVID pandemic unhappy for worked and travelled. There are nine challenges set out which remain largely the same as we saw in the draft LTP 5 that which came to Cabinet last September. No sign. Challenges are produced. Resilience of the highway network rises in road injuries and fatalities, traffic congestion, creating poor air quality, pressure from the existing population, businesses and new developments, worsening public health, declining financial viability of public transport, the need for government leadership around Ken's international gateways, high carbon dioxide emissions from transport, Sandra nee, sport and police funding, which makes quite depressing this traumatic, was approved at outline that striking the balance sets out 10 policy outcomes. Increasing and infrastructure first approach, air quality and improve public transport and improve health through enhancing walking and cycle facilities. In terms of our responses, Jameson agent has done a great job and representing our views
just a few examples. Promoting a strategy for investment in public transport use particularly buses
reiterating the importance of districts, keeping control of on-street parking enforcement, reinforcing the importance of committing to a review of the autumn Valley, Spitfire, way, injunction, noting the importance of NHS one, particularly with the emergence of article along with the inclusion of a mobility as a service, platformer Austin-Behan gestation, supporting the inclusion of increasing rail freight point national grids movement in order to make maximum use of your tunnel capacity, endorsing cycle-hire as part of the transport mix and referencing for local cycling and walking infrastructure Plan, and the proposed greenway shared use path along the Royal minutes are now from west eyes to Ivan Locke, this clearly demonstrates the Council's commitment to seeking funding opportunities in order to bring about significant investment in walking and cycling infrastructure.
and the recommendations are to receive a note that the report to approve the draft comments set out in Appendix 1 for submission to KCC as our response to the consultation.
and to delegate authority to the Director of strategy and resources to make any minor amendments to the consultation responses to reflect comments made at this Cabinet meeting, and I'm very happy to move the
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:25:47
report, thank you very much Councillor would like more I am very, very happy to.
the second report, I think it's very detailed and.
every time I every time are already a report, I are such this, I learned so much more about why I'm stuck in traffic jams trying to get through saying going and.
trying to arrive at council meetings.
let them, I think it's excellent report, I think excellent response
to think James has done a brilliant job and are very happy to open for further comment.
Councillor Helga,
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:26:30
Cllr Rich Holgate - 0:26:31
is it very brief mirror support for the committee role supporting the bus and increasingly are indeed quite the breach, the beach Bus Initiative?
10,000, our budgetary frustrates.
12 outbreak, but I think the report is affecting the northern Nevada.
is it likely to say it is again demonstrates, then the Vietnam, the need for bus, better, faster transport routes, initiatives trips, and that's just getting presentation to a breach, their line, all those villages who are more carry disconnected, say welcome the news and the support for upsetting for for better bus services in the District of shift.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:27:15
sorry, can Councillor plan?
Cllr Mike Blakemore - 0:27:21
thank Chen sorry, yes, along when I know several other Members went along to KCC's consultation event, and that's very interesting, because there was a great deal of ambition if you've got a sense, that there was a real ambition around that plans but also some futility because they just know there isn't the money to deliver them, which is which is a great shame we hadn't been in the Chamber here this morning when
Young people as part of the consultation on the Corporate Plan, and several of them will come from the Marsh from the Marsh Academy. There was a young man who lives being iv church and he was talking about and get his schoolbus to school and back, but the only other bus that if it is, it's iv church business 2 o'clock in the afternoon and that's the only bus being presume you have to go and stay somewhere overnight and returned the next day at 2.00, and it came through not just from handbook from so many of the local people that transport is such an enabler for things where there is economic Development, whether it's an socialising your friends and they talked about older people as well as our parents and what a nine-metre is on, so I don't think we can underestimate the importance of. I think it's great to respond to the consultation had agree with all sorts of the responses, possibly non-attendance crossing, but that's all the place to go into that now, but
yeah, so I think if only we could deliver or if I didn't case, to seek a deliverable things that that we need to do.
Councillor from
onto buses again, I think.
Cllr Gary Fuller - 0:28:54
these may be, although it's an excellent response and the information about buses that the breach was really good, I do think maybe there's a couple of things that are missing, I think we actually need to stay in our response to the bus services in the district are not fit for purpose supply, I think we need to make that clear.
I say that as somebody who's lived in a place where there was one bus away from Lytham place where you can get a bus every five minutes and at the moment as a bus user currently atoll, it's a nightmare to get back into school, it's in Myanmar to get to work, it's not made to get the meeting or bus services round here are not enough wow I I don't know where he's best to say that I think we need to say
I think also the just we should perhaps raise with can, because of the red they've said in in a new in per bus service improvement plan that they can then need 60 million a year in funding to deliver everything experts to liner, as I understand it, the previous,
improvement plan I have, I only received 35 million, so I don't quite understand how they intend to bridge a gap of over 200 million sign.
unless I have misread the figures in each case will be so happy to be corrected, but we could potentially raise.
but the most important thing for me is the yeah, or as somebody that's using the bus, regularly seeing people who use the bus regularly, the current the service being offered by stage coats currently is not good.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:30:32
and we agree to get an answer for the numbers question.
yes, thank you Chair, so we do have a little bit outside the formal
Adrian Tofts - 0:30:42
consultation closes on the extra whatsoever. Sorry, I, Conservative accord with Council colleagues, there is coverage on page 222 that then extends into Paris 123 of the on on the KCC bus service in Basel plan. We can sort of say against that concept, but there are signs ecologist at starting say by themselves in terms of accessibility to public transport and the points that Councillor following any so, we can then use the double check and the second is and if this been responsibly to put together, the effects would be supports, amendment applies and if we could do that was entirely
sorry, good so.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:31:22
Councillor, are you happy to limit our officers due to express that
Cllr Gary Fuller - 0:31:28
that sentiment that are not good enough not fit for purpose, not meeting residents needs or something something along those lines and Councillor shirt?
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:31:36
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:31:44
thank you are just picking up, Councillor Blake Mills point that the the Lower Thames crossing are, I think it's the placement, I'm going to pick it up.
I have huge reservations about endorsing.
the proposal that the lower Thames crossing and our response.
you mentioned as well the money.
the funding needed for the public transport for buses.
billions can be would be spent on the Lower Thames crossing
carbon budgets aside that money could do huge things for public transport.
so yeah, I really would struggle to.
that cross in the yes box, thank you.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:32:34
Councillor Blake,
I was just going to come back to us all and and the previous question about.
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:32:39
the BCF funding because actually, at the moment, there's no funding beyond March next year as well, so that some something else as a big resource gaps looming sorry for which you have put ordinary concluded in the report, but there's something for everybody to be aware of it or they're not already on the Lower Thames crossing we did have a conversation about it I believe when we met and,
there was some sort of mitigation to put into the answer, but underfunding if the process in the box means needing to the right the question is how far to the right.
Cllr Stephen Scoffham - 0:33:19
Councillor Sean yeah, I'm picking up on on a number of points.
we just talked about 130 say, new houses a year which are may or may not be built in the district and with those houses will come. Increased volumes of traffic and increased traffic problems. I'm very much aware that the more we build roads in the normal build airports and so on. The moor which the capacity that the demand for me to fill the gap, historic experience and doesn't bypasses has been very clear on that, so it was dealt with by far the longest get more traffic on the road because it can travel north, and so it's a where are we seem to me, obviously income strongly enough of that bending in terms of fondness in relentless
an increased demand for transport on our road system and further low attempt across any worries me for that reason, because I think results ask.
meeting the demand that will then level will also many years time will we need a third launch and, of course, into a new how, whereas the stopping suddenly convinced stopping roofline is the expansion of Gatwick Airport, I think you don't have an opinion on that so again air travel James sorry up and up and up and this is a
ongoing problem that I don't have an answer for that. I do recognise the sense that the statements we've got here about moving freight from road to rail is ruining an important, really valuable, positive move that we can push for at this particular time. It's a very good moment, I think, to be pushing for it. We've got a new government, has got a carbon reduction targets, so that was works and nicely that we've got fears and worries about blocking access to all your nemesis injury. An excellent system is about to commence. How that's going to attract our road systems and of blockage of the Transport and the congestion, so moving at least some of the increase in freight traffic on road traffic that we got onto the railway would seem to make very good sense. That seems to be a ninth event, so I really welcome the strong support for this is in this report. And out again worrying about catering forth, ever-increasing traffic month and the way in which this is a
I don't seem to be any stopping roles for replicates winner
cycle that there's nothing to over the last number of years.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:35:53
thank you shall be the did, the table that you are referring to is on page 124.
there are
Cllr Stephen Scoffham - 0:36:02
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:36:03
Paul columns, yes, partly now and done none now, mostly we'd we ticked, does not use international haulage traffic management. I think that a hearty yes, so were superb keen on getting that silky there are chunky near you 2 2 9 any. I 2 4 9 between Ian 20 and into is
isn't yes?
and at the top Lower Thames crossing. This is a yes, I'm just wondering how we got yes, he's or HMOs or no swearing, whereas I haven't got a problem with your, I'm just wondering what the logic
Adrian Tofts - 0:36:49
around those three years. Thank the Chair, sorry, it seems probable officer perspective, so what I thought was a taxi, safe while works in the development, can take a number of years so that
of mental clarity, Bolton, sorry for bar for support if you're not seeing that needs to be.
subject to discussions with members and our response, is this Aussie subjects for days strategy made across those four different columns, and the reason why enter the yes was because the position of facing the hard districts in one-day internationals sentence, the Gateway 3 body on 23rd or otherwise it is kind of strange if this is the inability to be added to to take a proportionate sharing.
strategic movements to policy on 23rd or when you have the combinations, the on to its maintenance, alongside the Transport one, teaching 1984 9 to provide that linked closer to May's style between the to make sure that works in calculating the Lower Thames crossing, ultimately means are the strategy, then 20 the party's shopping streets will be yes chokes.
it is the simplicity Council said American is subject to obviously very few traffic movements between junctions on junction, huffing, but if the strategic element is my God intolerance or chatty for the them, 20 that is going on and if it's only for Paul or elsewhere are more significant difference beyond the where it is more beholden to both movement so it is heading ability to free up some of our capacity or benefits the meeting is in our District so despite interest from that in terms of
Last Harding, congestion economic benefits from that as well as I think family life and expenditure on the back of a national style projects, but for us your policy perspective but happy to blame for members tuition to assist them in the context of the Core Strategy examination he spent many days poring over the detail of watch options beyond capacity as well if certain development was planned for under the old modernist predict and provide.
and that we spent assessment days examination on that.
but I suppose we are developing the Master of centuries on 4 February, and other forms of movement will lower its overall off-site traffic generation, so we've got the openness and provide you got new intervention through mass pull back on off-site movements I won, by having amongst were managed by work what actually happens in process might be different to what was predicted.
so the only new interventions for you might do well in the future, less car dependent once Athens, but the plus the context around the Lower Thames crossing, and otherwise the or two years against, for that on a big questions that have settled bought the fittings of members is ultimately as the consultation response of the Council so I suppose recycled Board as opposed to just give you the excuse around.
OK, thanks for
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:40:07
Councillor for yeah, I just wanted to come back on managing your
Cllr Gary Fuller - 0:40:12
obviously talking about the fact that the the them to, shall we say, union fit for purpose that they needed to be for five months.
I was therefore surprised that we didn't take yes, for example, on the road capacity ingredients within two or or the junction 7 1 over Jameson one capacity, so add, but I guess I'm just wondering.
wider trunking aspects between the and 220 was a definite yes, but why the others were, we don't know.
Adrian Tofts - 0:40:48
owing to the context of the the tragedy with the 82 0 1 2 4 9 more strongly aligned to the Law Center crossover effectively KCCTC narrowing.
saying back to National Highways, overall Thames crossing who say they have that's going to happen is absolutely critical that you get the transport 82 0 9 2 4 9, to the team. Colleagues sit hand-in-hand. The MTV is critical as well. What effectively the delivery of that is outside the policy because of distance, but we might want to
land our supporting
we want to improvements is, as received two things numbers collectively.
I just come back briefly just saying to say underneath that, just if
Cllr Gary Fuller - 0:41:30
we assume for a minute in the number of the them to happen, when the narrow terms crossing happens and the chunking happens, aren't we basically supporting the idea as banging a hell of a lot more traffic than the other day if we don't also support the idea of increasing the traffic on the internet?
I appreciate your last card is a scenario to plough on this contract
Adrian Tofts - 0:41:50
is thus a by easily batted well without the Boxing Day Tullecombe of investment back plus the scenario could fail.
so I guess, as the Leader said, it tasted trying to strike a balance between where to lead this role, that each of the response 304 Collins huddled with begging in the Chamber tonight at 9.00, a little bit of background about the issues in light of the discussions Hall is to help inform not in cycle use so on the substitutes' VCS and obviously the stone sculpture that's a change so,
Councillor Peter, thank you, I was going to blur people often not
Cllr Tim Prater - 0:42:30
speak on this item, but it just James King James's responses of piqued my curiosity on that I am the point about the Lower Thames crossing, I just reinforcing the the point that,
Gary Ford has just made is very good. One is that you were talking about, I would understand, from our District's point of view, the option of if you're gonna make the Lower Thames crossing in order to connect into the them to in order that cross Channel cross Channel traffic bypasses at district and get that other Councillor stock Swaffham work and a debate about whether bypassing traffic bypassing areas is good or bad at that stage, if it if, if it going, if it's going past and suddenly and the them to her at the end, 20 has less traffic on the there is. There is a benefit to us at that stage.
effectively or creating additional demand with the Lower Thames crossing and we're saying Yes were unhappy with Aboriginal month, but they're not building the route from yeah, not not improving the route from the them down the them to at the moment, which people were avoiding because it's not a road which is fit for purpose and ends up being single carriageway in places which remains criminal in 2024. How it is still, so I don't know, so I don't see how we can beat yes were in favour of the mealtimes crossing and then I don't know whether the empty rooms, including of course, the incidents, including intending to put more traffic David, and if I'm not going to put more traffic, Daniel I'm building more routes to get onto the entering, and indeed then better routes to get from the empty to the them. 20. With this we vote with this. We're supporting the principle of more traffic coming down the end 20 because that's the route that we're supporting. The glittery said, please send it through Royal attempts crossing, send it down to the end 20 and timely and 20, which we've already got problems with, not least operation grow, it doesn't, it is not a joined up nice and thinking
as far as I can say, I I I, I struggle to see how one matter that only that we move an awful lot of them to improvements from don't know from the don't know into. Yes, you can, if you're going to have one thing, if you're going to increase the amount of traffic which is arriving into that traffic should go down the empty, all we've got to say that we wouldn't look to increase that amount of traffic, that that traffic is whether the Lower Thames crossing is there or not. It's gonna come across eight times crossovers, it's gonna come down through again, but I would have thought that the better priority for us is actually that we hadn't 2 is better so that less stuff comes through focusing
as it transits from London to the Channel Crook, it feels to me a bit backwards that we're supporting more traffic going into the system, but not getting about traffic to get to the place where it's going to without coming across our front door.
Adrian Tofts - 0:45:15
so on yeah, healthy debate, 24 Audrey input, sorry, I think in terms of our five-year part, through more than the easiest, show what being just to maintain, yes for international haughtiness, traffic management, and then, since the deadline for all other elements,
and then the penalty box to box to me it totally at the end to this whole debate around, you've got any numbers haven't already dictated, he bought at least three such projects of an empty corridor enhancement 0 4
and our auditors investigated its invisibility, those statements, the funding position, for example, say we cannot open ourselves up to potential.
yeah, in countries with different names later, law who offer support and then ultimately is not deliverable, because we don't know the full picture, so I think to sterilise out the obviously certain issues being debated.
it could be in our interests to maintaining support, for example, Paul this traffic management, and they're not actually else just maintains its don't know.
no doubt that the comment always can make was ha. How would we move
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:46:20
this forward? Yeah, I mean yeah, these are very drunk questions, then change, just don't talk about and you can see it as a sort of 1,000 subtle points under each of dreams. I'm drawing your attention to the other title we were, I don't know only. I 2 2 9 Bluebell hill improvements while we
chunking at the item to know an excellent Barrowhill so you know you are kind of damned if you do damned if you don't.
for a shorthand I think James's recommendation is the sensible one, but I'm interested to know how other members might be able to input into this consultation chunks.
what sort of thing?
Adrian Tofts - 0:47:09
we've list on page 234 or otherwise yeah, I'm just interested to know you know
how, because there were all users of these roads is not actually going
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:47:23
to be a a range of opinions, I'm just wondering.
as the tourists still open, how will members be able to input into this consultation
Adrian Tofts - 0:47:38
but this can integrate individually as well as collectively in this Agreement.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:47:45
Good Well, I'm a nice, seems a sensible way forward if, if obviously James's heroine, but we said this evening and but you know, I know certain members still had.
very detailed views on the miner, putting them in remain Malin addressing needs to change, would be would be helpful.
no.
Dr Susan Priest - 0:48:13
well, if it helps, I was just wondering James this is a perfect consultations in it, so we could get we're asking you, can we give a Council response, but then members are free as residents of Kent, to also submit other responses in their own name directly to
connections that's that's permissible, isn't it?
Adrian Tofts - 0:48:37
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:48:39
thank you for that clarification Councillor should thank you, I'd be
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 0:48:42
happy to go with the suggestion that we be go within that don't know on this particular.
question, I think the discussion does sort of draw out that he built this raid when you want to upgrade them and you've got nothing better.
and then people say, the AGM 20th choir, or going on in 20 and it yeah, you get that induced demand.
yeah, so I I, I'm happy with the don't know as Councillor Blake wrong,
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:49:13
yes, likewise somebody once said about them, you don't try and lose
Cllr Mike Blakemore - 0:49:19
weight by another another holding the belt, so I think.
you don't
you don't reduce road traffic by expanding roads and local place, but I know it's more complicated than that and certainly we would have to be pragmatic about.
yeah, I think it is the best solution for now.
okay.
that's Councillor Turner.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:49:40
Cllr Gary Fuller - 0:49:45
this is since I'm I'm helpfully Reina to gating tick-boxes, as it were just moving on to the the one where we say yes to the bus improvement plan, can I also suggest that we move back to partly on the basis of what we can think buses and fit for purpose and we're not sure how they're going to funding.
so you should put that Lisa allows us to say we support the principle, but we're not sure you are quite there on the detail.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:50:10
Councillor Donald, I'm just worry about that a bit, because I think
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:50:13
the bus service improvement plan is the only way our buses are, people need to get better, that's that's our return to the funding, so if there are only partly supporting, are we saying
not that bothered with you get the money on that I've seen elsewhere
Cllr Gary Fuller - 0:50:26
where we we have to put the comment to say that we broadly support the aim, but we don't think it's funny families, and we think he's starting from the assumption that services are on his back as they are.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:50:42
apparently so, sorry, we've got some amendments here, so we are correct me if I'm wrong, we're going to move the excess into boxes over to diagnose orders Jones's outlined, and we're going to add a comment that while we support the bus improvement plan we don't think they'll beats achievable.
I note no, I would say, No, we're not convinced these fully families,
Cllr Gary Fuller - 0:51:12
because if the funding arrives, then it would be achieved if we say we don't think it's achievable, it's on then than the argument falling into the are we saying it's not worth bothering which were definitely not.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:51:27
great OK, are you happy with those Councillor Blakenall?
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:51:31
is everyone okay mindset possession of what KCC have actually
Adrian Tofts - 0:51:39
currently falls within the discussion of all the cases in bus service improvement plan, is to say, if he wants to the service, to perform a set level, this is funded, it will be, but in reality this is a funded were likely to get things that got thinking. Sorry there's two devices are
effectively in touch thing is obvious mention, but the message obviously Angels is that this is a warning, shot to say things are things will carry on as a word, because KCC saturnine under themselves improvement plan, just sector lighting, will what it needs to do and say there's an interesting invaded, but we can certainly say that,
already before that, a service improvement plan findings, the announced there's already evidence that St Petersburg parcel therapist and say yes.
this would be my intention is to devise extension.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:52:35
okay, no, that's really helpful explanation, sorry, you're happy, Councillor Blackmore, with sorry, got two amendments removing the excess, and we are expressing our concerns about whether it's deliverable because he's not fully funded.
so, okay, so are you still happy to move that Councillor Blackman?
Cllr Polly Blakemore - 0:53:00
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:53:00
I'm very happy to second, all I was employed by please in the country.
Jordan, thank you very much, everyone.
now we move into the apart the evening, which is the Councillor prices shall.
we start
ITEM 9 General Fund
a revenue budget monitoring. First call 24 25 pages 1 4 7 2 1 6 to this report sets out the financial monitoring information for the Council at the end of the first quarter 24 25. The report provides members with an overview of budget performance, including an overview of reserves and balances, to enable the Cabinet to take ownership of budgets and provide robust challenge and scrutiny to the officers on the performance of those budgets. At the end of quarter 1, there is I favourable end of financial year projected position of 154 QI on the Council's revenue budget of 19 point. For many, this position is based on activity as at the 30th of June 24 projected trends in income and expenditure and changes to council funding so
Over to you Councillor Carter,
Cllr Tim Prater - 0:54:27
I mean, if you want to ditch in feel free.
that share this stuff around are and forever perhaps we, each person can take one of the next few reports are learning effort.
that there is little to add to this and or a financial projection of the end of the financial year that were in.
which started on the 1st of April and rum and taking a snapshot of it on the 30th of June, you wouldn't project what your household budget looks like at 9 months out, and I wouldn't make any firm predictions based on the Council's budget on this item, it's a snapshot, its projection based forward of the figures as of the 30th June periods nicely some the one on one side rather than the other summit is a small underspend at this moment its rejection of what it would be activity remained exactly it was and all of the things that we currently know remain, as they were known as on 30th of June staff will move.
so we don't start spending that money, please don't stop spending some money because things will move in this report, it gives you the the.
had headline as it was at that moment, but and the detail is there, which I'm sure I would be very happy to talk to it went to the Finance sub-committee last night he looked at this and the other reports I'd like to thank them for their time and questions was issue was discussed and I think managed something that,
should come back to us at some stage.
freud.
a more detailed discussion, you'll see one of the larger movements or variants in their under item 3.5 9 is ran connect project which was effectively an investment property which the council bought a number of years ago and which had the cost of purchase and has a cost of running and have an income.
stream against that as well and is clearly yeah,
at the moment of time there was has increased costs as they pick up business rates. On some they can force him blindfolded. I'm hoping at some stage Andy's gonna one company instead of just let those two floors and some good, but until that moment we've got yeah, we've got a slightly higher cost of carry that I think it's worth worthwhile at some Safety Scouts looking at that as an investment and saying, is it making more than it's costing at which point great keep it, and if it's not, then we should have a discussion about that and and discussion because you can't necessarily back right out of it. We get the anyway at that time, at some point get forward
I have a conversation about that as a as a single or as a as a piece of work, the company, but otherwise said it's it's a projection of projection forward of 12 months from the end of third month, the the end of the month position, take it, take it for what is I've said things will change look forward to the quarter 2 once coming to a meeting.
near you for about six months time.
radical.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:57:39
you are, I, I I gleaned from that, that this is a snapshot, and
and I'm very happy to second and open up for debate.
Councillor hunger.
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:57:56
Cllr Rich Holgate - 0:57:59
well, Chris, I totally respect the marina.
because that?
I get that, but when, when it will be able to get more copies in any remaining figures, that the remaining year money that we put to good use in in the financial year and a colourful
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:58:20
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:58:23
that there is a full and detailed answer for you, Councillor, how guy
Cllr Rich Holgate - 0:58:29
I'm sure you can, I should ask you, can take out to the bank here?
Cllr Jim Martin - 0:58:32
any other I comments or or questions with regard to this, sorry, we had a perusal Councillor price for our second all those in favour, please indicate.
thank you very much item 10 General Fund Capital Programme, at Budget monitoring, 24 25 First Quarter this monitoring report provides an initial projection of the current financial position for the General Fund Capital Programme profile 24 25 by some expenditure to 30th June, and this identifies variances compared to the latest approved budget Councillor potential.
Cllr Tim Prater - 0:59:16
equally show actually, what this does is it gives the budget passed in 24 25, it shows you the amount of money we rolled over from last year are underspent into this year and things and gives you the total of the budget plus the rollover equals what we're now hoping to do in year, as we've always said about capital thoughts, if we spend all of that money in year, I think Andrew will be the most amazing person
pop, probably back to buy me, we will.
ca capital programmes tended to slip. We plan to do something in the, but not everything happens in, you would be tempted to happen, we will see what that's telling for this mind, what that ordinary telling you is what the budget was plus, what the Land Rover was an adding machine numbers together.
there will be, we will get much more detail about how much money is actually going out the door and stop being spent and staff being built as we go through in quarters 2 3.
Cllr Jim Martin - 1:00:12
thank you very much and I was happy yes, I'm I'm very happy to second
Cllr Tim Prater - 1:00:16
Cllr Jim Martin - 1:00:16
any comments or questions or.
so all those in private, please indicate, thank you very much, members.
ITEM 11, which are a budget monitoring Q, 1 24 to 25 this monitoring report provides a projection of the anything end of year financial position for the Housing Revenue account revenue expenditure and which are a capital programme based on net expenditure to the 30th of June 24 and it is quite relief.
Councillor shrew, who will be representing?
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 1:01:07
they were asked to receive and note this report and, as Ted said snapshots.
so this is the actual position of the Housing Revenue account at the end of the first quarter and the projected outturn for the year, so on the revenue account there's a projected decrease in expenditure of 2.3 6 million, enlarged part this is due to approve borrowing not needed to be taken up in this period will be available to draw on on the next financial year and on the capital account is a projected overspend for the year of 1.6 5 million of which the are vast bulk of that 1.5 5 million is grant funding towards the decarbonisation programme.
and 100 pay is and then a larger than anticipated,
increase in the repairs and maintenance contracts.
so if there's any detailed questions when I would directly to Jonathan and please gentlemen, as elsewhere.
said anything, the needs clarification, otherwise I'd like to move that we receive and note report, thank you very much, Councillor Sean,
Cllr Jim Martin - 1:02:21
gone very happy to second, the report and Councillor for I just had a great question about this repair claims.
Cllr Gary Fuller - 1:02:29
just what are buying, in terms of form a boundary effectiveness as these crimes against us for disrepair as his claims against companies for not delivering or or is it something completely different?
Cllr Rebecca Shoob - 1:02:45
that is claims made against the Council for disrepair because properties sorry, there's yeah, all those from of Andy wants to say any more, but that's not the happy as it.
Mr Andy Blaszkowicz - 1:03:02
thank you, I reject that his role, we have a register of them or they take a while work through very often come about from no-win-no-fee solicitors going round touting for business unfortunately, and it is a real problem for the social housing industry as a whole in takes up a huge amount of time is often where we haven't been allowed in tenants' houses but they get in touch with people on and instigate that these claims.
so we have a number of opening times at the moment, with a number of resolved climbs already definitely sort of states of flux.
it is a problem for the HRA and it does take up as a serious note upon and money.
and the ironic thing is for, I guess, LHA tenants is the biggest amount of the money that goes out from this goes to pay the legal fees of no-win no-fee solicitors, whilst the tenants normally gets smaller, was illegal phase of genuine, generally bigger than the or water or pretty much always in most cases but also the team worked through it constantly are is reports or a Chelsea housing leadership saying periodic dozing actually probably a monthly outlay.
we've certainly yesterday live monthly amongst obtained for for review answer, so we're on the case, but yes, it is an issue for us.
Cllr Jim Martin - 1:04:28
Councillor from back on that it if people are getting awards,
Cllr Gary Fuller - 1:04:31
therefore, is that does not mean we are effectively being held liable for the fact that there wouldn't let us in, or does that mean that there are some genuine cases that we should?
find some learnings for height for the confidence our year on year as well, so that we can improve going forward, at least for those cases where the no-win no-fee law against.
paragraph and refresh his comment on individual cases, but what I can
Mr Andy Blaszkowicz - 1:04:57
say is, if there is a genuine case and tenants who are in need of help and will need of things going to their property, are surveyors will always go out and helpful as much as they possibly can bid and they're always there that, always on loner, always ready to help our tenants.
sorry just coming back our what about breathing Campbell Connolly
Cllr Gary Fuller - 1:05:16
again not commented on individual cases, but can we be found, is liable for not carrying out works, despite frequently nursing to do it. Does that we would have case notes for that which could be put
Mr Andy Blaszkowicz - 1:05:30
forward in our defences are common on how councils have gone, but we always have have evidence of this same when we're not allowed into a gas safety check. We have records of every time we come to visit their so we can have controlled entry visit after 3 Marshall. Basically sort of we have worries properly three times
we initially the paperwork which gets fired by all relevant managers director on 4th, was I controlled access and then we will get him as the property owners once we have, that can is always laughing because I want to pay for controlled access.
Cllr Jim Martin - 1:06:07
Julie Gill, so.
Councillor shown, as proposed on seconded all those in favour, please indicate.
thank you very much, everyone Item 12, is the Treasury Management annual report 23 24 pages 1 8 3 2 2 0 2 this report reviews the Council's treasury management activities for 23 24, including the and the actual treasury management indicators, the report.
meets the requirements of both the c, I p I Code of practice for Treasury Management and they sing on P F I Prudential Code of for capital finance.
in local authorities, the Council is required to comply with both codes through regulations issued under the Local government Act 2003, Councillor Peter, I think CIPFA has been spelt out like that for a
Cllr Tim Prater - 1:07:09
while so that there will be pleased with the target that was taken.
the this is not a snapshot, this is the full report of the year, so to make some difference between the previous reports, this there explains in detail what money we hold, what money we borrow, what money we have, we hold and invest what we paid in terms of interest on our borrowings, what Gossington as of interest on our investments,
but quite nice is that you get a better return on our investment money, then we get than we are paying their borrowings, which is the right way round, and it's not an easy tricks today because banks don't like that sort of thing and it's all credit to our Treasury Management Team but we are in that position so I'd like to congratulate them for that and can work in doing.
a lot of this report is detailing.
the overriding national financial position and why the widens like interest rates are where they are, we happy rejecting where they're going to go, sorry thread, really know, but probably not up at this moment.
that's again, that's the best advice and details in it goes into detail about where our where our money is, where borrowing is and the totals of that our borrowing has gone up.
in year, 0 7 million pounds at is essentially borrowing towards hospital and work which is ongoing there in terms of doing nothing to the assets which it will be to this district, and that money will be returned to the district as possible gets into development Amman box and thanks to Sandwell comes becomes item as that's a invest to build activity.
and I know how much of the Council's attention is all starting to get that out and starting to get that number that actually starting to come down rather than up, but for our general activity, borrowings had not increased, said you'll see that there's in terms of our investments there made something like a 5.55% returns is enough to convince them that 5.5% return,
on investments in year in nothing, very exciting in local them, and that most of the monies are held in things like Local Authority, property funds and all that that, but again, the full detail is there of what we were spending where the money in investing, investing, chosen benchmarks against similar local authorities and things like that and you'll see that actually against that benchmark with performing departments satellites,
84 report, it says any questions on the detail until Orange ready for them right now.
I'm looking forward to the giving those answers
but otherwise I'm happy to move difficult.
Cllr Jim Martin - 1:10:12
thank you very much, Councillor Pryke, two very happy to second, the report and open to the floor for comments, questions et cetera.
Councillor Blake,
Cllr Jim Martin - 1:10:22
this is, curiously, the table on page 1 9 8 every borrowed money from
Cllr Mike Blakemore - 1:10:28
those other local authorities that how is that they've got money to live and what's Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority during lending money rather than fighting for that.
that's just a curious. It's just a question when
Mr Ola Owolabi - 1:10:50
thank you, thank you, sir, again I think this is just about working capital, somewhat just local government as for surplus cars, which they want to propagate needed for two months, three months or something like that if at the same time we need this car then we'll just been a domino and then add the aspiration of that are three or six months or the money goes back but if the deal with working capital thank you.
Cllr Jim Martin - 1:11:22
OK any further questions or comments add cancer are brighter, has moved, the report are being very happy to second it all those in favour, please indicate, thank you very much and it was very good and good evening and I you had a pleasant edging, thank you.